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Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 15 16 Adana B.S.K. vs Izmir B.B.S.K Adana B.S.K. Izmir B.B.S.K Izmir B.B.S.K Adana B.S.K. N B.Koca E M.C.Tokay N S. Assael E T.Eren S T.Kose W N.Kubac S N.Zorlu W A.Aksu Contract By M D N-S E-W Contract By M D N-S E-W 4♥x E 1 100 3♠ S 3 140 6♥ W 1 50 6♥ E 1 50 3N S 5 460 3N N 5 460 1♠ N 2 200 2♥ W 4 170 4♠ W 5 450 5♥x S 1 200 6♣ S 6 920 5♣ S 5 400 3N E 3 600 3N W 3 600 2N N 2 120 2♣ N 2 90 1N E 1 90 1N E 1 100 1N N 1 100 1N E 1 90 6♠ N 7 1010 3♦ W 3 110 2N W 2 200 5♦ W 1 50 3N S 4 430 IMPs - 2 - 1 - 6 11 1 - 5 - 12 14 IMPs Adana B.S.K. Izmir B.B.S.K This segment 12 14 Penalty 0 0 Carryover 0 0 total 12 14 -1- References: BridgeBase online. Edited by M.Sugino Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board 1 NS: EW: o 4 x E c 3♠ S this/total IMPs Adana B.S.K. 0 Izmir B.B.S.K 2 2 -1 100 3 140 © 1 Walddk2: and has nine easy tricks..♣K..♣7..♣5 6 ♠8 3 2 8 3 4 9 AK 7 6 9 ♣ A Q J10 4 ♠ K10 9 N ♠Q J K10 8 4 AQ J 75 2 W E Q8 932 S ♣9 6 5 3 ♣K 2 ♠A 7 6 5 4 7 4 96 9 J10 5 4 3 ♣8 7 4 -100 W: N.Kubac W © 3 p p § § © N: B.Koca Open S: T.Kose N E 1♣ 1 X! 4 X p E: M.C.Tokay © © S 1♠ p p ¨ © #1 S:: 8,3,A,2 #2 N:: K,9,4,8 #3 N:: Q,K,7,5 #4 E:: A,6,4,3 #5 E:: Q,9,8, 7 Walddk2: Can Ekeblad and Grannovetter win a final at last is the question? They have lost the last 4 they have played in..p..p..1♠..2 ..2♠.. ..p..3 ..p..p..p..♠J..♠3..♠9..♠7..♠5..♠6..♠Q.. ♠A..♣J..♣6..♣A..♣3.. 2.. 7.. T.. Q..♣7.. ♣2..♣5..♣K.. 2.. 5.. Q.. 4.. 9.. A.. 4.. 3..♠K Walddk2: Granovetter..1♣..1 Walddk2: I think North passed..1♠ Walddk2: We need a few UNDOs..3 ! Walddk2: Yes, but North did not open this hand Vugraphu1 : Ekeblad: "3rd & 5th?" Berk: " correct".. !..4 ..p..p.. Vugraphu1: Berk: "upper limit is 15 or something? " Eke" 16"..p..p..p..♣8 Walddk2: 2♠ is a better contract, but this should roll in too..♣3..♣A..♣2 Walddk2: The trouble is that Ekeblad doesn’t know that clubs break. Now he does.. K.. 9.. 4.. 8..♣Q © © ¨ © ¨ © © © © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ © © © © © ¨ © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ -2- Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board 1 NS: EW: o 4 x E c 3♠ S © 1 this/total IMPs Izmir B.B.S.K 2 2 Adana B.S.K. 0 -1 100 3 140 6 ♠8 3 2 8 3 4 9 AK 7 6 9 ♣ A Q J10 4 ♠ K10 9 N ♠Q J K10 8 4 AQ J 75 2 W E Q8 932 S ♣9 6 5 3 ♣K 2 ♠A 7 6 5 4 7 4 96 9 J10 5 4 3 ♣8 7 4 -100 W: A.Aksu W © 3 p © ª ª N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E 1♣ 1 X p p p © E: T.Eren S X! 3♠ ¨ © ª © © © © © © © © ¨ #1 W:: 8,3,A,9 #2 E:: 9,J,Q,A #3 N:: 2,Q,A,9 #4 S:: 6,4, 3, 7 #5 N:: 8,J,4,K vugrapha3: hi.. A.. 6.. 4.. 3.. Q.. 9.. 8.. 7 vugrapha3: i 1 rodal f: Hi all:) Nice to see u again.Hi Roand rodal f: Roland rodal f: And back we are:) vugrapha3: and were starting vugrapha3: and we are off vugraphzuh: baˆ lˆ‰yoruz vugraphzuh: Eskisehir’den merhabalar..1♣..2+ ..1 MolvaM: hoˆ geldiniz Walddk2: 3NT or 4 with 11 tricks.. !..4+!s vugrapha3: System Cards can be found at http:// www.abf.com.au/events/anc/2009/systems.html rodal f: Tranc for and 4 . Arethe slam on then? MolvaM: ˆ ampiyonada 16 takˆ‰m nakavt maˆ§ larˆ‰na baˆ ladˆ‰lar MolvaM: bundan sonra yenilen takˆ‰m eleniyor senmel: selamlar..3 ! ¨ © © © © -3- ¨ ¨ ¨ Walddk2: hardly when you are off two aces.. vugraphzuh: eskisehirden herkese merhabalar MolvaM: hangi takˆ‰mlar kimle eˆ leˆ ti bilmiyoruz henˆ…z MolvaM: muhtemelen bu gece tbf sayfasˆ‰ gˆ… ncellendiˆ inde bileceˆ iz murat e: aynˆ‰ anda spingold finali baˆ ladˆ‰ seyircimiz biraz az olabili bu sefer senmel: tbf satfasinda eslesme krokisi var haans: sometimes you come and go..p..3♠ vugrapha3: Sorry about all that, should be fine now...p haans: what a start rodal f: Nice NS but better keep of rodal f: 11-14 again and a nice spot NS vugraphzuh: selam herkese vugraphzuh: Tˆ…rkiye Klupler Arasˆ‰ Final maˆ§larˆ‰na hoˆ geldiniz nafiz: herkese gˆ…naydˆ‰n, hg Fikret Aydoˆ du baskanb: Merhabalar rodal f: Y:) Sr..p rodal f: EW are soooo near a slam, but.....p rodal f: Resaults from the turney: http://www.bridgeunlimited.com /bridge/ViewMasterEvent2?code=09ANCT& header=abf senmel: agrubu e oldu, b grubug oldu,c grubu f oldu, d grubu h oldu Walddk2: ♠A would have been much better than KQ.. 8 Walddk2 : Which goes to show that the 4321 scale is just a rule of thumb april7: hello everybody and good ATERNOON.. 3 Walddk2: Easy to deal with, but far from accurate.. A rodal f: Resault info for the turney: http://www.bridgeunlimited.com /bridge/ViewMasterEvent2?code=09ANCT& header=abf f_aydogdu: olma potansiyeli var f_aydogdu: piklere f_aydogdu: karolarˆ‰ atarak arigun: merhabalar.. 9.. 9 vugraphzuh: Merhabalar april7: an easy claim.. J haans: funny start.. Q april7: and lucky f_aydogdu: sanˆ‰rim olacakta.. A Walddk2: Last chance to cash ♠A..♠2..♠Q..♠ A..♠9.. 6.. 4..♠3 rodal f: If u like to follow manny tables: http:// www.bbotv.com/vugraph/ Click on try first and enjoy where u like:).. 7..♠8..♠J..♠4 ¨ © © © © ¨ ¨ ¨ © © © ¨ Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) rodal f: Had the ♣ a bit unlucky placed..♠K Board NS: EW: o 6 c 6 2 © © this/total IMPs Adana B.S.K. 0 Izmir B.B.S.K 2 W -1 50 E -1 50 2 1 ♠K 7 6 4 7 K10 2 1 1 Q6 7 ♣K Q 4 3 ♠Q N ♠A 8 5 A87654 QJ3 W E A7432 K J10 5 S ♣8 ♣ A10 6 ♠ J10 9 3 2 8 5 9 12 98 12 ♣J9752 5 980 W: N.Kubac W © ¨ 1 2 4♣ 4N 6 N: B.Koca Open E: M.C.Tokay S: T.Kose N E S 1 p p 1N p p 2 p p 4 p p 5♠ p p p p © #1 N::§K,A,5,8 #3 W::ªQ,4,A,J #5 N::ªK,5,2,©6 #7 E::©3,ª9,©A,T #9 E::¨J,9,3,Q ¨ © ¨ §6,2,©4,§3 ©Q,9,5,K ©7,2,J,ª3 ¨2,6,K,8 #2 E:: #4 E:: #6 W:: #8 W:: rhodaw: Ekeblad risked a 5-1 spade break there. Walddk2: Welcome to Rhoda Walsh rhodaw: tu :) Vugraphu1: Eke: "well Matt, I figured I’d see what happened" rhodaw: Game is easy in spades or hearts..1 ..p..1 Vugraphu1 : Granovetter explaining in tiny writing - but Eke’s better so I should know what 1♠ was soon Vugraphu1: Or not, he tossed the note to Berk and that’s too far for me to see Walddk2: E-W play a rather complicated strong club system..p..1N..p..2 ..GF relay Walddk2: with lots of relays rhodaw: Sure looks that way!..p ¨ © ¨ -4- Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Walddk2: N-S a straightforward Precision, more or less..2 © Walddk2: Good afternoon to Bill Frisby..p athene: hi good afternoon everyone..4♣..p rhodaw: Hi athene! Vugraphu1: Cohen just held up 5 fingers then 4 fingers & Granovetter nodded, so he has shown 5 spades and 4 hearts - I don’t know what else though Vugraphu1 : I suspect that Eke’s bids are all asking..4 Walddk2: so Eke asking athene : yes, when you have a strong club, a positive response, and then an auction in which opened continually makes the next step bid, that’s a pretty good sign you are in relay country..p..4N athene: *in which opener continually Vugraphu1 : Eke just wrote singleton , so Granovetter has shown his whole pattern - I don’t know about HCPs or specific honors Vugraphu1: West showed 4513 with 8-11..p..5♠ ..p..6 ..p Vugraphu1: Eke asks about signal here - standard suit preference..p Walddk2: an accurate description as one would expect..p..♣K..♣A sunit: Hi Roland..♣5..♣8..♣6..♣2.. 4..♣3..♠ Q..♠4..♠A..♠J.. Q.. 9 Vugraphu1 : Berk: "is that it?" Eke: "yeah, 3 down; I’m just playing to try to get out with 3 down" Berk: "I hope you do it".. 5.. K..♠K.. ♠5 Walddk2: Welcome to Sunit Chokshi, Bermuda Bowl player for India in a few weeks Vugraphu1: Eke: "the hand I opened 2♣ is better than this one" rhodaw: A diamond return gives declarer 5 Vugraphu1: Eke: "don’t think too long - I’m not going down" ¨ ¨ © © © © © © -5- Board NS: EW: o 6 c 6 © © 2 this/total IMPs Izmir B.B.S.K 2 Adana B.S.K. 0 W -1 50 E -1 50 2 1 ♠K 7 6 4 7 K10 2 1 1 Q6 7 ♣K Q 4 3 ♠Q N ♠A 8 5 A87654 QJ3 W E A7432 K J10 5 S ♣8 ♣ A10 6 ♠ J10 9 3 2 8 5 9 12 98 12 ♣J9752 5 980 W: A.Aksu W N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E 1N p 2 p 3 p 4♣ p 6 p p ¨ ¨ ¨ © #1 S::ªT,Q,K,A #3 N::§4,A,2,8 #5 E::©3,§5,©A,T #7 W::¨2,6,K,8 2 3 3♠ 4 6 © © ¨ E: T.Eren S p p p p p p ©Q,9,4,K ©J,ª3,©5,2 ©6,§K,ª5,2 ¨J,9,3,Q #2 E:: #4 E:: #6 W:: #8 E:: Walddk2: What a lucky man you are Bill, alone © © © © © © © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ with 2 specs..♠2.. 6.. 7.. 2.. J..♠3.. 3..♠ 9.. A.. T.. 2.. 6.. K.. 8.. J.. 9.. 3.. Q bjacobs: Ah but what excellent specs they are bjacobs: And they and I know that this is the strongest table of the 4 rodal f: 24HP but on for a 6er it was baskanb: defans Sek AK kozla son iki lˆ¶veye girdi sˆ‰k rastlanan bi durum deˆ ildir baskanb: ˆ§ok estetik aruf: herkese selamlar haans: :) we all been there :)..1N Walddk2: It’s easier to ask the audience vugraphzuh: Fethiye Bati Akdenizi 1. olarak btirdi. Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) baskanb: 5 pike kadar yapˆ‰lˆ‰yor bjacobs: :)..p funtay: Herkese merhaba rodal f: If good biiding now sac at to be done by ¨ EW..2 ..p Walddk2: I might have opened 2NT..2 rodal f: Hi Ben or/ and Jenny:) benjent: Today, it’s Ben :) benjent: Jenny’s getting her hair done, or possibly her nails. I plan to say "you look great" when she gets back. aruf: C grubunda sˆ‰ralama iˆ§in ˆ¶nemli bir ma ˆ§ MolvaM2: bu maˆ§ ilk 2 takˆ‰mˆ‰n maˆ§ˆ‰ de ˆ il mi? MolvaM2: yani zaten tuzu kuru olan takˆ‰mlar bunlar deˆ il mi? vugraphzuh: son durum iˆ§in vugraphzuh: http://clubs.vugraph.com/tbricfed/ teams_round.php?round=1716 vugrapha3: sorry catchin up..p Walddk2 : How much do you think the K&R thinks it’s worth? bjacobs: Yes, but perhaps it’s normal to admit that in public rodal f: 6 are one by NS arigun: EW’ 4 5♣ oluyor..3 MolvaM2: bence bu maˆ§ta 1 ayaˆ u ˆ§ukurda olan takˆ‰mlarˆ‰n maˆ§ˆ‰nˆ‰n verilmesi daha iyi olurdu. haans: all card right but .....p..3 april7: a lot of work to do for 9 tricks rodal f: Hard to bid, but the spot are 4♠ rodal f: They did:) benjent: Nice work by Smart - getting past his 6322 to like his good spades enough to invite rodal f: Back to the info:) Vug TV: http://www.bridgebase.com /client/vugraph.php arigun: NS baraj icin zon durumu uygun degil MolvaM2: bu oyuncularˆ‰ ˆ¶nˆ…mˆ…zdeki gˆ …nlerde nasˆ‰l olsa seyredeceˆ iz murat: for those who are looking English comments, you can find them in Open Room..p vugraphzuh : Bornova ise Ege 3. su olarak katiliyor. april7: 3♠,2 ,2♣ and 2 ..3♠ haans: J lead? arigun: 3♠ birazda fazla oldu gibi, e dogru karar verirse 1 batarak kurtarabilir murat: 1NT limitleri nedir Ayberg ? murat: 14- 16 ? vugraphzuh: (14)15-17 © © ¨ © ¨ © ¨ © vugraphzuh: 5li renk oldugu icin actigini dusunuyorum. murat: 5li renk 14 ile 1NT ˆ…lkemizde geleneksel gibi birˆ ey arigun: bu arada 4 denmis :)..p april7: J of lead not to good for defence..4♣ bjacobs: Atila de Luca and David Lusk have been stalwarts of SA for many years arigun: ♠ kupu ile yer zorlanirsa defans icin 2 1♠ lovesi var..p april7: position for declarer is ok..4 ..p rodal f: So E had no help? Single and..... but might hard to see senmel: puansal olarak yeterli degil ama aslar olunca teklerin karsisinda iyide fit olunca yapmasi kolay soylemesi zor bjacobs: De Luca is the "pitcher" and Lusk is the "catcher"..6 f_aydogdu: _1 dˆ…sˆ…nˆ…yorm f_aydogdu: 3h diyerek a..p april7: and then ♠..6 bjacobs: i.e. De Luca is creative..p..p f_aydogdu: rakibi 3sp getirdi haans: spade kill dia entry..p rodal f: Looks like an 8er now. Not shure murat: pike yerden kˆ…ˆ§ˆ…k koyunca batara geldi bjacobs: Khokan Bagchi and Michael (Max) Smart are I think a first time partnership..♠T MolvaM: genel bilgi verelim 1az MolvaM: eleme turlarˆ‰nda son 2 maˆ§a girdik MolvaM: bundan sonra 1 maˆ§ daha vara ve sonra gruplarda ilk 4er sˆ‰rayˆ‰ alan takˆ‰mlar MolvaM: nakavt aˆ amasˆ‰na geˆ§ecek MolvaM: yani bu sabahki 2 maˆ§ 1ˆ§ok takˆ‰m i ˆ§in tamammˆ‰ devammˆ‰ ˆ¶zelliˆ ini taˆ ˆ‰ yor..♠Q benjent : Watching this set may take a little dedication, if the internet is going to keep dropping out in Canberra :)..♠K baylind: selam herkese arigun: neticede 3 ’in faydasi oldu rakip batar 4 ya geldi..♠A april7: needs entry for finesses.. Q rodal f: Why not a new ? funtay: Eskisehirde Anemon Otelinde yapiliyor Turnuva, sanirim internet problemi var otelin rodal f: All resalults from the turney so fare: http: //www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php.. 9 vugrapha3: sorry havin probs with the inernet murat: defans pik atak ettiˆ i elde kˆ¶rleri saˆ ladˆ ‰.. 4.. K bjacobs: very strong players..♣4 ¨ ¨ © ¨ © ¨ © © ¨ ¨ © © © © © © -6- Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) baskanb: merci bˆ…lent hg :)..♣A vugraphzuh: ˆ uanda 6. maclar oynaniyor.. vugraphzuh: ilk 5 maˆ§ sonunda son durum iˆ§in vugraphzuh: http://clubs.vugraph.com/tbricfed/ teams_round.php?round=1715 baylind: 6h batabilir 6 karo batmazdˆ‰ once karolarˆ‰ oynuyacaktˆ‰....♣2 april7: just in time..♣8 Walddk2: http://www.jeffgoldsmith.org/cgi-bin/ knr.cgi?hand=K10xx+A10+AKJ9x+A10 21.95 arigun: ozcan abiyi tebrik ediyoruz :) rodal f: And C.. J..♠3 benjent: Khokan’s line is not without risk, but he has communication problems, and a 3rd to worry about.. 5 rodal f: Y bjacobs: Fair enough Roland, but maybe it’s too strong for 2NT on that basis? (Given the shape).. 2.. 3..♣5 vugrapha3: sorryo miss he irs board Walddk2: yes Walddk2: np Jane. long time no see. are you well? vugrapha3: i am ood Walddk2: odd or good? :) vugrapha3: i am ood :) bjacobs: No typo there rodal f: Can become a 7er funtay: ˆ lk el defansin basit hatasi ile Antalya takimina potansiyel swing kazandˆ‰rdˆ‰.. A.. T.. 6..♣K april7: hello everybody..♠5..♠2 Walddk2 : Bill, I promise not to mention the cricket bjacobs: oh feel free. We are hopeless bjacobs: Good for the country’s soul baylind: simdi tek kˆ¶rˆ…n yanˆ‰nda 3 tane karoya oynuayabilir april7: 10 tricks now.. 2 f_aydogdu: tek ruaya oynadi.. 6.. K.. 8.. J f_aydogdu: orhan abi dam 2li dusundu ve bˆ‰ rakti rodal f: Putted in at S for a ♣ EW.. 9.. 3.. Q © © © © © © © © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ Board NS: EW: o 3N c 3N 3 this/total IMPs Adana B.S.K. 0 Izmir B.B.S.K 2 S 5 460 N 5 460 3 10 ♠Q J 9 7 4 Q2 4-3 11 K Q10 3 2 ♣A 7 3 N ♠ A K10 8 5 4 K10 4 3 400 ♠32 J875 W E 6 S ♣Q J 9642 ♣K 85 ♠6 A96 A J987542 ♣ 10 N: B.Koca Open S: T.Kose N E W: N.Kubac W p p p 1♠ 3N ª ¨ ª ¨ © ¨ § ¨ ª ¨ § ¨ © § © ¨ § ª § © E: M.C.Tokay 2♠ p S 1 2N p ¨ © ¨ ª ¨ § © ¨ª § ¨ § ª § #1 W:: 3,Q,K,6 #2 E:: K,A,5,2 #3 S:: 7,6,K, 5 #4 N:: Q, 4, 2, 2 #5 N:: T, 3, 8, 4 #6 N:: Q,4,6,7 #7 N:: 3, 8, A, 6 #8 S:: J, 2,7, 5 #9 S:: 9, 8, 3, T #10 S:: 5, 9, 9,T #11 S:: 4, Q, J,A #12 S:: T,J,A,8 #13 N:: 7,K, 9,J Vugraphu1: Eke: "they only had 11 diamonds" Berk: "the vulnerability scares us" athene: now east can double..1 ..p..1♠..2♠..2N! ..p..3N athene: Cohen might go to 3 right away..p Walddk2 : Sontag-Helness sitting out for the Meltzer team, Rubin and Verhees for Jansma..p athene: he knows opps have 8+-card spade fit rhodaw: 2S is the max for EW athene: interesting redouble - perhaps a semipsychic manoeuvre, trying to slow the auction and buy it in 3 ..p athene: or perhaps he really wants to invite game and this is the only way to do it..♠3..♠Q..♠K..♠ 6.. K.. A Walddk2: I doubt it opposite 11-15, and not a ¨ © © © © -7- 2 8 9 2 10 Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) max since Berk did not jump sunit: 3h 1 down Vugraphu1: Ekeblad just made a lead out of turn and somehow the screen was raised, but Granovetter didn’t see it, so we’re reverting to Granovetter on lead Vugraphu1: I didn’t see the lead so I don’t know what it was.. 5 Walddk2: well, it can make if declarer guesses K later athene: the defence began with the ♣J in the other room Walddk2: And he might when Gran ruffs with the 10 athene: but it didn’t work out at all well for them sunit: can make otherwise also, provided declarer plays correctly Vugraphu1: Cohen just asked whether they lead A from AK and were told yes - so Eke probably led the spade K rhodaw: Without a D return by E, declarer can pitch his losing D of the C9.. 2.. 7.. 6.. K.. ♠5.. Q..♠4 sunit: Difficult defense for Ekeblad.. 2..♣2.. T.. 3.. 8..♣4 rhodaw: C6.. Q.. 4 Walddk2: That too, so now he can even make an overtrick athene: they took three rounds of clubs but then declarer threw the diamond loser as west ruffed with the K athene: that’s what happened in the other room, effectively athene: except west ruffed high as declarer did so athene: west could have ruffed with the 10 (!) that might be a brilliant shot? athene: declarer overruffs but then might finesse hearts.. 6 athene: and lose both red kings Vugraphu1: Cohen: "I’m going to draw 1 more trump and then if the 6 of clubs is good I don’t need the diamond finesse" G: "is it good?" Cohen, laughing: "yes it’s good".. 7.. 3..♠8.. A..♣6 © ¨ © ¨ © © © © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ © © © © ¨ ¨ Board NS: EW: o 3N c 3N 3 this/total IMPs Izmir B.B.S.K 2 Adana B.S.K. 0 S 5 460 N 5 460 3 400 10 ♠Q J 9 7 4 Q2 4-3 11 K Q10 3 2 ♣A 7 3 N ♠ A K10 8 5 4 K10 4 3 ♠32 J875 W E 6 S ♣Q J 9642 ♣K 85 ♠6 A96 A J987542 ♣ 10 W: A.Aksu W p p p p ª ¨ © N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E E: T.Eren S 1 2 3 p ¨ ¨ ¨ p p p 1♠ 2 3N © 2 8 9 2 10 #1 E:: 8,6,2, april7: light openings from N or E.. J..♠2..♠7.. ♣5.. 9.. 8..♣3.. T.. 5..♣9..♠9..♠T.. 4..♣ Q..♠J..♠A..♣T..♣J..♣A..♣8..♣7..♣K.. 9.. J f_aydogdu: ben basta bir batar demistim yalancˆ ‰ cikarmammak icin beni boyle oynadilar sanirim f_aydogdu: 6sp olan bir el murat: Fethiye iˆ§in potansiyel swing eli oldu 2. el april7: S might open 1 because of rebidproblems and then bid ♣..1 haans: easier to open that hand with 1nt (all do it) ..p april7: 2♣? haans: capelli 1 suiter?? benjent: when it has the "->" in front of it, it’s just for you rodal f: f u like to follow the vug by TV: http:// www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php funtay: Faruk ile Emre genˆ§ oyuncularˆ‰mˆ‰z f_aydogdu: sanˆ‰rim bulacaklarda © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ © © ¨ -8- Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) murat: minˆ¶r hakikaten kapalˆ‰ fakat 3NT’de bjacobs: I think this match might go down to the sˆ‰fˆ‰r el alˆ‰yor..1♠ vugraphzuh: selam Hakan abi hg haans: cappelli..p april7: interesting now murat: kˆ‰rmˆ‰zˆ‰da 3NT aˆ§tˆ‰ˆ ˆ‰ iˆ§in yanda bir onˆ¶r olabilir mi acaba ? rodal f: On again for a hard one ..2 ckesgin: selamlar baskanb: batˆ‰nˆ‰n rebidi zor baskanb: 2kˆ¶r forcing oynuyolarsa eˆ er baskanb: fit kontru batˆ‰yˆ‰ kurtardˆ‰ :) funtay: 1Nt forsing ..p arigun: selam coskun april7: could just get home,inspite the bad break..2 ! haans: opps not happy??? april7: even without ♣ finesse hikmetd: Tˆ…m seyircilere hoˆ geldiniz diyoruz vugraphzuh: pik rua tek oldugu iˆ§in yapmis olabilir. vugrapha3: 2d alerted..p Walddk2: All very reasonable Walddk2: The lead too rodal f: 2♠ are? funtay: sry april7: but W will lead ♣..3 funtay: bu deklerede degil funtay: major aciˆ ina april7: might be a misunderstanding..p rodal f: If as I belive its free to take a que on the road baskanb: 2pike pass ? rodal f: How to bid that slam?..3N f_aydogdu: bilmeyenler icin abimin benden once istanbulda calistˆ‰gˆ‰ donemdeki pdri orhan abi ve bir cok sampiyonluklari var ben kadar olmasada rodal f: WD EW..p vugrapha3: on card it says "FSJ limit+" hikmetd: atk bulunamazsa = hikmetd: :(:) Walddk2 : 4-card majors, weak NT for N-S I presume..p benjent: 2NT must be artificial - I suggest weak with C or some strong hand rodal f: 3NT are one but will miss the handle of ♣ I belive, so a partscore might? Or NT still benjent: 3♣ would have been forced, and Koke’s passed it out with the uninviting hand with ♣’s april7: now ♠ and diescard of 1 and so on mAKING EVEN ´§..p wire. On paper, ACT is a little stronger bjacobs: And yes, I think NS play an Acol style baskanb: tref deˆ erlerini beˆ enmedi muhtemelen sˆ‰rtˆ‰ndan 1tref aˆ§ˆ‰lˆ‰nca baylind: passla hemfikir degiliz rodal f: Why 4♠?? 4♣ are obviouse..♠8 rodal f: On the way to 4♠ f_aydogdu: h cˆ‰kmasa 7 murat: defans bˆ…tˆ…n lˆ¶veleri alacak gibi champ i: selamlar murat: selam hikmetd: Aˆ§ik odada Akgˆ…n 4♠ diyemedi..♠ 6..♠2 april7: 11 tricks available if S takes finesse agaist K of ♣ rodal f: Rest to see now are if N play the single ¨ © ¨ ¨ -9- ♣ vugraphzuh: atakdan sonra claim edildi:) murat e: 11 Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board NS: EW: o 1♠ c 2 © 4 4 this/total IMPs Adana B.S.K. 0 Izmir B.B.S.K 1 3 N -2 200 W 4 170 4 ♠ A10 8 6 3 5 42 3 4 AJ3 7 ♣K 8 4 ♠K 9 5 4 N ♠J72 AQ7 J10 9 6 3 W E 10 5 4 K762 S ♣A Q J ♣6 ♠Q 9 8 K85 9 Q98 8-9 ♣10 9 7 5 3 2 5 600 W: N.Kubac W 1♣ p § © © § ¨ ¨ ª N: B.Koca Open S: T.Kose N E 1♠ p E: M.C.Tokay S p § ª § © ª ¨ ª ¨ ª ª © § ª #1 E:: 6,2,A,4 #2 W:: Q,K, 2, 3 #3 E:: J,5,7,2 #4 E:: 3,8,Q,4 #5 W:: A, 3, 9,K #6 N:: 6,7,Q,K #7 W:: J,8, 7, 5 #8 W:: 5,3,K,8 #9 E:: 6,9,T,J #10 N:: A,J, Q, 4 #11 N:: A,2, 7, 4 #12 N:: T, 6, 9, 5 #13 N:: 8, T, T, 9 Walddk2: 17+..1♣ athene : 6 or 6NT here after a long relay auction Walddk2: And now we are likely in for tons of relays..1♠ sunit: reaching 6nt not a problem here Vugraphu1: Depends if he’s balanced or unbalanced, I think athene : or of course 7 ♠ X after a long relay auction including a subtle misunderstanding :) ..p..p rhodaw: :)..p Walddk2: I think this will give us time to walk our turtles..♣6..♣2..♣A Vugraphu1: Cohen: "how come we’re always vulnerable when they have these hands?" Berk: "I said that too"..♣4..♣Q..♣K..♠2..♣3.. J.. 5.. 7.. 2.. 3 ª © ¨ § § ¨ © § ª ¨ © © © © © © rhodaw: Boring push board... 8.. Q.. 4 Vugraphu1: Eke has shown 3334 - don’t know what else, sorry athene: he must have shown lots of extras i think © © for 3NT to be forcing.. A..♠3.. 9 Walddk2: These guys get more value for their money than the other players. They bid much more athene: ah ok :) that solves that issue Vugraphu1 : Actually, 3NT was to play and Ekeblad’s 4♣ showed the extras athene: right Walddk2: I am sure that all this is accurate, but it must take its toll when it comes to remembering.. K..♠6..♠7..♠Q Vugraphu1: Cohen: "that was my last pass card, so you guys better finish soon" Vugraphu1: I don’t know what Ekeblad meant by "ALL with 15+" but he nicely gave me the note & that’s what he wrote Walddk2: Granovetter-Ekeblad-Rubin play in a triangle, same system. Same goes for JansmaVerhees-van Prooijen athene: maybe Ekeblad’s annotation means "4♣ over 3NT shows all 15+ hcp hands"?..♠K..♣J..♣ 8.. 7 sunit: hopefully a claim after the lead to make up for the long auction!! athene : and other zooms show very specific hands with some extras but 12-14 or so Vugraphu1: As they’re about to send the tray over, Eke starts to take his bids off and Berk says "he can still DBL ... he said he was out of pass cards" Vugraphu1: Eke asks Cohen: "what do you lead from AK vs slam?" Vugraphu1: Some discussion of what was shown Granovetter thought 4333 with 4 spades, Ekeblad corrects that - 4 clubs © ¨ © © - 10 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board NS: EW: o 1♠ c 2 4 this/total IMPs Izmir B.B.S.K 1 3 Adana B.S.K. 0 N -2 200 W 4 170 © 4 4 ♠ A10 8 6 3 5 42 3 4 AJ3 7 ♣K 8 4 ♠K 9 5 4 N ♠J72 AQ7 J10 9 6 3 W E 10 5 4 K762 S ♣A Q J ♣6 ♠Q 9 8 K85 9 Q98 8-9 ♣10 9 7 5 3 2 5 600 W: A.Aksu W 1N 2 N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E p 2 p p ¨ E: T.Eren S p p © #1 N::©2,9,K,A #2 W::§A,8,6,T #3 W::§Q,K,©3,§2 #4 E::©J,5,7,4 #5 E::©6,8,Q,ª3 #6 W::¨4,3,K,8 #7 E::¨2,9,T,J #8 N::§4,ª2,§7,J #9 W::¨5,A,6,Q #10 N::ª6,7,Q,K #11 W::ª4,,, vugrapha3: sorry about north’s name, correct now..♣5..¨5..¨3..¨K..¨8..¨6..¨9..¨T..¨J.. ♠A..♠J..¨Q..♠4..¨A..¨2..♣7..¨4..♠T..©6.. ♣9..♠5..♠8..©T..♣T..♠9 april7: taking J of ♠ no risk!!! haans: right haans: 3nt here rodal f: They play 13 at the other room now. 1NT E © april7: 1 2♠ and then 3NT by W?..1N f_aydogdu: 4sp olacak bir haans: or open 2nt..p april7: EW miht reach 3 NT but will fail on ♣ ¨ lead..2 haans: Big Club? april7: probably april7: still ♠ haans: they play precision nickf: All system cards @@ http://www.abf.com.au - 11 - /events/anc/ Walddk2: 2 2NT and then ...? bjacobs: They had a very good team ... including players who have played in World Championship final rounds vugrapha3: System Cards = http://www.abf.com.au /events/anc/2009/systems.html Walddk2: Can Bachi find extra values? arigun: 6! tek batacak slam NS icin benjent : Seems like De Luca forgot to use Blackwood on 11 - hence the swing to ACT..p f_aydogdu: bence bunuda soyleyecekler haans: any bid from east = game..2 april7: are 6 points enough? rodal f: Puppet used? arigun: 6NT 3 lovesi ile oluyor arigun: 6 batacak kontrat ♠ ve NT oluyor arigun: 3♣ konturlu olursa slam kadar veriyor..p haans: can you pass with 6..p haans: precision gives and takes rodal f: Then 3 telling ♠ benjent: Playing out exactly like puppet rodal f: On for a nice slam now:) vugrapha3: for system cards see http://www.abf.com.au /events/anc/2009/systems.html april7: 2♠ 3 and then 3NT..p f_aydogdu: trefe h atˆ‰p 5 yapar abim bunu haans: nt wrong now.. 2 haans: how is that possible april7: W shouldplay NT and not E, but he wants to play in a minor, to bad murat: kuzeyde bu sekansta bulabileceˆ iniz en iyi koz sayˆ‰sˆ‰ var. april7: 8 tricks only.. 9 baskanb: benim tercihim 3nt olurdu Ahunun elinden baskanb: markalarla destekli tepe onˆ¶rlerden oluˆ an bi 12 var bjacobs: Smart can.. K rodal f: Sr Lost con but ended up as exspeted ckesgin: 2.♣ e bˆ ´…yˆ ´…k koyarak batma yolunda kuvvetli bir adˆ ´–m atmˆ ´–ˆ ´ tˆ ´– ama...olamadˆ ´–. murat: bakalˆ‰m 4kˆ¶r diyebilecekler mi murat: derken baskanb: panelimize soralˆ‰m bjacobs : Smart was really stuck over 2 I suppose.. A Walddk2: I think 2NT is textbook stuff bjacobs: Bagchi "see red" (the vulnerability) and bids 3NT Walddk2 : Doesn’t that show 11-12 with a C ¨ © © © © ¨ © © © © ¨ Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) stopper? f_aydogdu : bazˆ‰larˆ‰ abimin eliyle oyun acmak isteyebilirler ama bende acmiyorum murat: en az 10 el alˆ‰yor ˆ u an haans: if you double 2 please hide = no more bidding..♣A april7: now they are overboard bjacobs: Yes ... tougher if you take a point or two away Walddk2: Now, let’s see f_aydogdu: majorler oldugu icin cok cazip benjent: No danger, but 3NT is a (marginally) better/safer contract than 4♠. And a lot safer than 6♠..♣8 rodal f: Use 11-14 NT openings so this show 15 17(18) haans: precion at its worse..♣6 haans: precision hikmetd: iyi atak ve KANTAR aˆ§ilisi oynamiyorlar, nakalim Tigan defansi bulacak mkˆ‰? baylind: panel olarak katˆ‰lˆ‰oyoruz sana MolvaM2: kˆ¶r fitini bulmuˆ deˆ iller henˆ…z san ˆ‰rˆ‰m april7: the 2NT bid was not the best idea..♣T Walddk2: he will let this ride to his queen and advance 10 to the queen champ i: kamil abi bir 3 h deseydi iyiydi rodal f: Was a spot for 6♠ here. Still tough ♠ are 1-4..♣Q arigun: 2nt-dbl, puan vaadediyor ve ceza agirlikli bir el april7: the X was also wrong, because E makes it now and W WAS FORCED TO CONTINUE BIDDING ANYWAY..♣K haans : you can not sell precision withn that bidding ckesgin: kuzey ˆ ´¶nce pas geˆ ´§ip sonra ♠ diyerek pastan geliyorum konvansiyonu oynuyor baskanb: merci bu soruyu da kazasˆ‰z atlattˆ‰ k :) baylind: bu arada salvo,nezih,naci burda herkese slm diliyorlar MolvaM: dikkat et burak panel yakˆ‰nda darbe yapˆ‰p masayˆ‰ ele geˆ§irecek baskanb: paneldekileri sˆ¶ledi daha nasˆ‰l konu ˆ acaz zaten paˆ am MolvaM: bizden de panele selamlar :) arigun: Vera’nin 3♣’i ortagina yollamadan cue bid edip 3♠ demesi cok kuvvetli el gosteriyor muhakkak baylind: salvo isim vermek istemedi :).. 3 arigun: Orhan ♠ kalitesinde emin olsa biraz daha © © © canli konusmaasi lazimdi belki bjacobs: On either black suit switch, it seems N/ S has 5 tricks..♣2 vugraphzuh: Kantar atak varmˆ‰ diye soruldu cevap:yok rodal f: By there systemcard. How to get in the key cards?.. J vugrapha3: 4d key card hikmetd: Kon.Kartlarinda YOK ckesgin: direk 2♠ demektense arigun: ama o da hakli olarak ♠ den korkuyor..... 5 benjent: So small opportunity for SA if Lusk-De Luca can bid 6♠ in the other room - not clearcut, but De Luca is an ... enthusiastic ... bidder.. 7.. 4 rodal f: I will take a look.. 6 april7: its still 1 down.. 8 Walddk2: Yes, first to 5.. Q april7: 3 of ♣ to give count..♠3.. 4.. 3 benjent: The play for 6♠ from here is to cash two top diamonds, ruff a diamond then play the 3rd ♠ baskanb: Merhabalarrrr murat: selam.. K vugraphzuh: selam bjacobs: Having a good holiday Roland?.. 8.. 2.. 9.. T benjent: Q was optional :) champ i: selam zuner: selam herkese vugraphzuh: selam Walddk2: Fine thx.. J benjent: Just max-imising the play time I think :) ..♣4..♠2 rodal f: De Luca waited a long time before she? passed 4 ♠. Opening there was 2♣ - 2 - 2NT .... baskanb: selamlar sˆ…rˆ§-ˆ… lisan affola artˆ‰ k bˆ¶yle bi jˆ…ri huzurunda :) baskanb: fethiye takˆ‰mˆ‰yla antalyada gˆ… zel gˆ…nlerimiz olmuˆ tu benim yerime kamil abi girmiˆ daha iyi derece almalarˆ‰ gerek..♣7 baylind: salvonun tansiyonu cˆ‰ktˆ‰ vale karoya rua karo oturulunca april7: well done altough it was not difficult..♣J.. 5 bjacobs: Of course the Vu Graph organization is a schemozzle with you away ... :) Walddk2: Bill, our expert on Yiddish baskanb: ama belki otur demiˆ tir Ahu valeyi oynarken :).. A © © © © © © © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ © ¨ © ¨ ¨ - 12 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) ¨ rodal f: c.. 6 benjent: Attilio De Luca. He. Beard and all... Q..♠6 ¨ hikmetd: If any question pls write to me..♠7..♠ Q..♠K © le yatirmak en iyi kart gibi hikmetd: riyilikci: eskiˆ ehirden herkese selamlar Board 5 this/total IMPs NS: Adana B.S.K. 0 EW: Izmir B.B.S.K 6 9 o 4♠ W 5 450 c 5 x S -1 200 © 5 2 ♠Q 8 6 3 2 J65 9 4 Q975 2 ♣6 2 ♠ A10 9 4 N ♠K J 75 43 A W E J6432 10 8 S ♣Q 9 ♣ AK J 8 7 4 ♠2 11 11 K Q10 9 8 7 2 4 AK 9 ♣10 5 3 11 460 W: N.Kubac W p 4♠ © ª § N: B.Koca Open E: M.C.Tokay S: T.Kose N E S p 1♣ 4♣ X p 4 p p p © #1 N:: 5,A,2,4 #3 W:: T,6,7, T #5 E:: 4,5,Q,2 © ª ª ª #2 E:: 5,2,A,3 #4 W:: 4,8,J, 9 #6 W:: 9,Q,, © athene: it’s slightly worrying if you have that sort of misunderstanding in a relay auction..♠4 athene: of course, when it’s a 4333, the difference isn’t drastic Vugraphu1: The director was just here and told Granovetter not to talk between hands - blamed me for wanting them to be faster than normal :) athene: but getting your black suits the wrong way round with e.g. a 7114 might be a little more worrying Walddk2: The North hand was not an opener to van Prooijen in the other room..p..1♣..4♣! athene: it doesn’t have much playing strength but even so, you don’t see these 12-counts passed very often..p..4 .. ..p..4♠..p..p Vugraphu1: Berk: "I’ll go out and smoke :)" teasing Ekeblad about the fact that Eke wants to smoke rhodaw: Cohen will bring this in easily...p Vugraphu1: Eke: "we play regular Smith, right, ©¨ - 13 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Matthew?" G: "can I answer" Berk: "stop asking questions, Larry" Cohen: "I didn’t ask any, they’ re asking" Vugraphu1: Eke: "you showed 4 ♠s?" Vugraphu1: Granovetter actually played 6-2 of spades, he covered up the first one so I couldn’t see .. 5.. A.. 2.. 4..♠5..♠2..♠A..♠3..♠T.. ♠6..♠7 © © © © Board 5 this/total IMPs NS: Izmir B.B.S.K 6 9 EW: Adana B.S.K. 0 o 4♠ W 5 450 c 5 x S -1 200 © 5 2 ♠Q 8 6 3 2 J65 9 4 Q975 2 ♣6 2 ♠ A10 9 4 N ♠K J 75 43 A W E J6432 10 8 S ♣Q 9 ♣ AK J 8 7 4 ♠2 11 11 K Q10 9 8 7 2 4 AK 9 ♣10 5 3 11 460 W: A.Aksu W X p p X N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E p 1♣ 2 3 4 4♠ 5 X p p © © ¨ § § ª © ¨ § ª ¨ © © E: T.Eren S 1 4 p 5 p © ¨ © § ¨ © © #1 W:: Q,2,K,5 #2 E:: A,3,9,6 #3 E:: J,T, 4, 5 #4 N:: 5,8,A,2 #5 S:: K,3,7,T #6 S:: 9,3,J,A #7 E:: 8, 2, 4, 6 april7: only a partscore in ♠.. T..♠4..♠8..♠J.. 9..♣4..♣5..♣Q..♣2..♠9..♠Q bjacobs: Might be the only one I know ... well maybe muzzletoff (?) Walddk2: mazeltov hikmetd: evet kˆ¶tˆ… defansa iyi uyun zuner: kamil abiler..izmirde bize karsi kˆ¶tˆ… oynadiilar..adasim yer onlari:) baskanb: 1dia MolvaM: bu maˆ§ ˆ¶ncesi skorlar ˆ ˆ¶yle idi http:// clubs.vugraph.com/tbricfed/teams_round.php? round=1715..p april7: 1NT by S and X by W XX by N or 2H transfer..1♣ benjent: This should be fun! hikmetd: ...................oyun f_aydogdu: 4 h sorunsuz f_aydogdu: rahat deklere edip yaparlar © - 14 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) baskanb: kamil abi disiplinli :) MolvaM: ilk 4 takˆ‰m nakavta kalacak baskanb: 1cl ye overcall eden ? april7 : N could make a trial bid because of 6 © losers only and S might accept..1 april7: is it a genuian XX or some conventional bid?.. rodal f: 3 from N benjent: EW make 6♠, NS make 9 tricks in & ¨ © © ♣ MolvaM: diˆ erleri ise hˆ…zˆ…nlˆ… 1 hafta geˆ§ irmek ˆ…zere evlerine dˆ¶necekler benjent: I don’t like 4♠ from East here - much too good a hand..2 ! baskanb: etkin sorunun devamˆ‰nˆ‰ da cevaplad ˆ‰ :) april7: good decision..3 haans: conv rodal f: Why don’t E take a que/ anwansed que on his road? vahaboglu: herkese gˆ…naydˆ‰n vahaboglu: merhaba Fikret f_aydogdu: sgl abi baskanb : pik ˆ§ˆ‰kˆ‰lˆ‰nca 3nt yapˆ‰ labiliyor baskanb: ama ˆ imdi passtan gelen ele karˆ ˆ‰ tavˆ‰r almak zor vahaboglu: gene de Nevzat’ ˆ‰ temsilci gˆ¶ nderdik..4 baskanb: Merhabalarrr haans: off the trap :)))..p april7: now forcing or not? 2 before was better!! rodal f: Or the best.2NT benjent: And while I’m criticising the bidding, I’ m not wild about North’s negative X either. Skinny rodal f: After 4♠ all roads was closed to find the slam benjent : Yes, Khokan wouldn’t have been surprised to find that he was going down in 5♠ with 5♣ making despite his 3 aces rodal f: Would anyone have made an X in N over 2♣? arigun: merhaba burak rodal f: I don’t like it. Give E the 2NT free bid. Better to emty the hand by 3 ..4 f_aydogdu: eskiden maclarda milleti eler comandator yapardik su dustumuz hallere bak:)) april7: just making..4♠ baskanb: mˆ…thiˆ sˆ¶yledi artˆ‰k 3nt oynarlar MolvaM: pazar sabahˆ‰ iˆ§in bu eller fazla dˆ… z. seyirciler ise kan gˆ¶vdeyi gˆ¶tˆ…rsˆ…n ister © © ¨ © © © - 15 - Walddk2: Old-fashioned limit raise, I like it..p bjacobs: stone age Acol ... works though vahaboglu: :) vahaboglu: herkes sˆ‰rayla deneyecek vahaboglu: hiˆ§ deˆ ilse elenmedik ya funtay: 6♣ oynamak mˆ…mkˆ…n bu eli ancak Terfler ve Karolar kotu dagilmiˆ ..p vugraphzuh: 1 3♣ 5-5 mis MolvaM: 1NTX uyanmak iˆ§in iyi bir seˆ§enek mesela arigun: oynanan kontrat makul lakin disarda koz dagilimi biraz nahos benjent: I agree - if you’re going to make a bid, make a useful one..5 rodal f: 4♠ in the other room senmel: difficult to bid 3 nt now baskanb: 2 kˆ¶rˆ…n ˆ…stˆ…ne kˆ¶r ˆ§ˆ‰kˆ‰ lmasˆ‰ da sˆ¶zkonusu deˆ il.. MolvaM: olmadˆ‰ arigun : orhanin elinden bir alternatif de 2 demek o zaman vera 2nt diyecekti vahaboglu : bu deklere iˆ§in Dbl yerine 2 ♠ , davet+ daha doˆ ru olurdu..5 f_aydogdu: seyirci arkadaslar ben aslinda galatasarayda oyuncuyum her nekadar trabzonlu olsakta orhan abiyi kˆ‰rmadik ama aldigim 3aylˆ‰k oynamama cezasˆ‰ eylul2 5de doluyor oyuzden oynamiyorum baskanb: bu deklarasyonda 1cl aˆ§ˆ‰ˆ ˆ‰ ve belki ahunun 1nt si dˆ‰ˆ ˆ‰ndakilere katˆ‰lmˆ ‰yorum :) vahaboglu: bazˆ‰ oyuncular bu Batˆ‰nˆ‰n elini 2 e sokabilir, ama 3 lˆ… fit davet elidir.. f_aydogdu: abim benle oynuyoz gibi dusunuyo 4lu olabilir major sanˆ‰yor arigun: ama bu tip ellerle (ortagin davetini kabul etmeyecek) duzeltmeyi ben de sevmiyorum, muhtemel 4-3 (5-2) yerine iyi olmasa da fazla yukselmiyorsunuz senmel: iyi cesaret vx karo ile..p arigun: 3nt en guzel kontrat haans: finesse is ♠ all cards now in WEST..p rodal f: But 2 are a bit better then 2 so no argue from me now:) vugraphzuh: 5h 2tarafdanda konturlandˆ‰:)..p baskanb: 2 karoya pass makul bence de..♣Q..♣ 2 arigun: benzer dagilim, 8-10 civari olsa puan, 4 2ya ragmen 2 e duzeltmek lazim, ortagin 2NT’ suna 3NT diyebilecek ellerle april7: all necessary cards are placed badly for declarer, so he will make only 8 tricks..♣K april7: W is somehow endplayede ¨ ¨ ¨ © © © ¨ ¨ © © ¨ Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) hikmetd: ˆ anakkaleye IMP ler geliyor ckesgin: 3 da diyebilirdi belki ˆ ´ imdi 4 ¨ © e gelmelilerdi april7: disacrd..♣5..♣A gracelin: Hi all, got time wrong, srry...♣3..♣9 baskanb: 1nt de 6 lˆ¶ve alˆ‰nabiliyordu baskanb: pass partaj karoya vahaboglu: senin yokluˆ unu aramˆ‰yor yani..♣ 6..♣J..♣T f_aydogdu: gel moral ver diyor pztesi gidecegim rodal f: Looks like an easy spot for 11?..♠4.. 5 arigun: ozgur bakan hosgeldin.. 5 ckesgin: 3♣ iyiydi ama bu elde 2♣ diyen daha kolay gelecekti 3nt ye hobakan: merhabalar herkese, baskanb: 3nt alternatiflerden biriyse demiˆ ti galba deˆ il mi bir briˆ§ bˆ…yˆ…ˆ ˆ…mˆ…z :) haans: you 31 imp late :).. 8 rodal f: Sr. I need a sigaret:( brb gracelin: yes, missed all the drama.. A hikmetd: 5 IMP zuner: kˆ¶r oynarsa kurtarir yoksa hasan sqˆ…z.. 2.. K.. 3.. 7 hikmetd: veya 6 IMP.. T.. 9.. 3 hikmetd: Oooooooo 7 IMP.. J Walddk2: wow, he finessed the 9?.. A..♣8 f_aydogdu: gnd cˆ…mleten haans: ♣T?..♠2.. 4 ¨ © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ © © © ¨ ¨ © Board NS: EW: o 6♣ c 5♣ 6 S S this/total IMPs Adana B.S.K. 11 11 Izmir B.B.S.K 9 6 920 5 400 6 7 ♠AK J 6 3 8 A872 7-6 75 5 12 ♣9 4 ♠ Q10 8 4 2 N ♠75 10 3 K9654 W E J98 K Q10 4 3 2 S ♣K 7 3 ♣ ♠9 1 4-5 QJ 6 A6 8 ♣ A Q J10 8 6 5 2 1 920 W: N.Kubac W p p p N: B.Koca Open S: T.Kose N E p 1♠ 2N 6♣ p © ª ª ¨ ª E: M.C.Tokay S 1♣ 5♣ p § ¨ § ª ©ª § © § Walddk2: The trick is to avoid 3NT here..©6 #1 W:: T,A,5,Q #3 S:: 9,T,J,5 #5 N:: K, 3,6, 4 #2 N:: 9, 2, A,3 #4 N:: A,7, J, 2 #6 N:: 4, 4, Q,K Vugraphu1: G: "we don’t play Smith ... we play suit preference while following to declarer’s lead if that’s important" Eke: "OK" rhodaw: NS might "save" in 4H...p..1♣ sunit: 26 Hcp with Ew, but still cannot make any game contract here Walddk2 : In fact, the trick is to avoid game because all of them can be set Vugraphu1: Eke: "I’m trying to do 2 things speed up the auctions and not be the declarer" See ’s 1NT "there’s hope" athene: you just have to avoid 3NT OR a heart lead..p..1♠..2N! Vugraphu1: Eke, happy to be dummy, has left..5 ♣..p..6♣..p..p sunit: May be a vul game pick up here for Jansma..p rhodaw: Hard to find the H lead here Walddk2: Now he can even afford to misguess - 16 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) clubs Vugraphu1: Berk asks about 1NT range "14+-17 " G asks about lead - 4th best or 2nd from bad holding athene: can he afford a club misguess?.. T.. A.. 5 sunit: still he has to guess the club q athene: he only has 8 doesn’t he? sunit: club misguess and heart shift, doomed!!.. Q..♣9.. 2..♣A Walddk2: right..♣3..♠9..♠T..♠J sunit: heart shift more likely than spade q shift Walddk2: Granovetter played with the odds when he finesses, because he knows diamonds are 5-1 after the 10 dropped at trick 1 athene : does Jansma in the other room have some gadget to open the south hand? athene: that might make considerable difference to the outcome rhodaw: N knows his partner has at least 5 S’s and maybe only 4 H’s. That may sway him to a S lead sunit: Berkowitz knows partner has 4 or 5 hearts Walddk2: Jansma did not open Vugraphu1: G: "doesn’t matter"..♠5..♠A..♠7.. J rhodaw: Berk could have overcalled 2D, showing D’s & H’s, if they play DONT athene: a spade switch needs partner to have quite a lot of specific cards, though..♠2..♠K sunit: but 5 spades and a outside entry is difficult so heart shift might be better.. 3 athene: solid spades or semi-solid (with ♠Q) and an entry too Walddk2: In the other room declarer also got a diamond lead and finessed in clubs athene: heart shift just needs him to have five hearts with the ace Vugraphu1: Cohen: "doesn’t matter?" G: "might matter for an overtrick" Walddk2: But van Prooijen switched to a heart © © © © ¨ Board NS: EW: o 6♣ c 5♣ - 17 - S S this/total IMPs Izmir B.B.S.K 9 Adana B.S.K. 11 11 6 920 5 400 6 7 ♠AK J 6 3 8 A872 7-6 75 5 12 ♣9 4 ♠ Q10 8 4 2 N ♠75 10 3 K9654 W E J98 K Q10 4 3 2 S ♣K 7 3 ♣ ♠9 1 4-5 QJ 6 A6 8 ♣ A Q J10 8 6 5 2 1 920 W: A.Aksu W © ¨ 6 p 2 p p ¨ N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E p 1♠ 2♣ 2 3 4♠ p p p © ¨8,5,Q,A ª9,2,A,7 ª3,¨3,§8,ª8 ¨J,7,K,§5 ©J,3,7,K ¨ E: T.Eren S 1♣ X 4 5♣ ¨ §A,3,4,¨2 ªK,5,¨6,ª4 §2,K,9,©4 §Q,7,©2,¨4 senmel: hosgeldin abi..¨6..♠4..♣4..©4..♣Q..♣ #1 W:: #3 S:: #5 N:: #7 W:: #9 S:: #2 S:: #4 N:: #6 S:: #8 S:: K baylind: erdinin yorumlarˆ‰ cok ˆ…st sˆ‰nˆ‰f seyircilerin anlamasˆ‰ zor olabilir vugraphzuh: ˆ mer Kˆ‰zˆ‰lok hoˆ geldin vugraphzuh: Bora Belgˆ… Hoˆ geldin:) baylind: :)..p f_aydogdu: 6 h piki bulursa olur..1♣ baskanb: iˆ te kanlˆ‰ bi el paˆ am gˆ¶zˆ…n aydˆ ‰n f_aydogdu: bence 6ya gelecekler benjent : The card gods are sure smiling on Max..p f_aydogdu: sukriyeler 4hre gelir -1 hobakan: saˆ ol melihcim:) funtay: Murat Anter aramizda Hos geldin:)..1♠ emre kaya: 6♣ kapalˆ‰ elde iyi gibi duruyor Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) ama batˆ‰yor maalesef april7: X and 1NT by S and 2 by W..2♣! haans: noth nice responding gracelin: slam is good for NS, but they need to choose to play in Diamond rather than club rodal f: Bergen rais it looks like hobakan: gˆ…ney elinden 2pik mi? bjacobs: Welcome Rodal - I see you are just 17 years old.. rodal f: Lol:) Those ugly months. bjacobs: Hey, your psychology has worked on me. Can’t be bothered doing the math benjent: Lead philosophy test for Andy here - 4th, or try to find partner? vugrapha3: North just said e/w should be playin rubber baylind: pik pasˆ‰nda yapabiliyor emre april7: there could be a slam..2 gracelin : 6C is not a bad contract either but would fail on the 4-1 off-side trump split haans: did 2 show extra april7: are 3-3 so 12 tricks are coming in gracelin: south has an easy 3D to me. rodal f: And a nice stop at level 3 murat: teˆ ekkˆ…rler Tayfun abi, yazˆ‰yorum bir yere :) ckesgin: 3♠ benjent: I lead 4th (ie ♣) ... and so does Andy..2 ! baskanb: ahu hemen merakˆ‰mˆ‰zˆ‰ gidersdi f_aydogdu: ahu ablam gonderdi hic ugrastirmadi baskanb: bu elden sonra keˆ ke yer 2 boˆ yerine 3 boˆ pik aˆ§saydˆ‰ diye dua edebilir ahu f_aydogdu: as pik cˆ‰karak sorunu cozebilir MolvaM: ooo ilahi gˆ…ˆ§leri karˆ‰ˆ tˆ‰mayˆ‰ n maˆ§a baylind: as pik cˆ‰kacak bence vugraphzuh : internet baglantisindan dolayi deklereleri yaamadik. april7: but in not in ♣..3 haans: 3 may have been forcing april7: N should pass,S has 6-10 HP..4 bjacobs: An accurate looking contract rodal f: A normal spot but might a bit hard april7: NS will probably play in♣ and not in ..p gracelin: ater the reverse, NS will bid at least a game april7: why not slam? haans: south say NO MORE North looking for slam baskanb : evet bu tip deklarasyonlara As ˆ§ © ¨ ¨ © © © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ekmek iyi sonuˆ§ veriyor genelde baskanb: 3nt sorunsuz gibi duruyor ama 4 pik batacak april7: S has only 5 tricks if defended correctly..4 ♠ f_aydogdu: tref ataga orhan abi mecburen dam vale 10 dan karo doner ancak pik dam atagˆ‰da her an olabilir ckesgin: 5 tane biliniyor bilinmeseydi 2.5♠ haans: we all been there..p hikmetd: 3 = 5li major yok, 4 lˆ… var..5♣ arigun: her iki taraftan oynanacak ♠ kontratina ♣ atagi endike gibi... 2♠’in uzerindeki butun kontratlar batacak april7: now slam for sure but where?..p gracelin: 6D, bingo. haans: South not in slam mode f_aydogdu: rakip acisindan iyi sonuc veriyor aruf: 4♠ oluyor emre kaya: ˆ¶yle ama bence gelirlerse pik pasˆ‰ atmaz Nafiz abi baylind: 10-11 kˆ‰rmˆ‰zˆ‰ gosterirken rakip .. nafiz abinin tercihi pik pasˆ‰ olur gracelin: but all south’s 11 HCP are in the right place...p hikmetd: Double Dummy de 3NT= baskanb: erdiden mesaj var iletmek zorundayˆ‰ m cevap hakkˆ‰ doˆ du ˆ§ˆ…nkˆ… MolvaM: as ˆ§ekmenin en bˆ…yˆ…k yararˆ‰ alˆ ‰nacak as-rua varsa alabilmek f_aydogdu : as 3 bos as 4bostan cˆ‰kˆ‰p kazandigˆ‰mˆ‰ hatirlamam april7: S actually could bid 6 , because without no slam posible,just to bad!!..p haans: 6 was a make benjent: Finding partner is always entertaining, but everyone forgets the many many hands where they blow a suit and the contract trying to do it vahaboglu: senle oynarken Nevzat ♠ Q mˆ‰ atak ederdi? ebeb: gerek kalmadˆ‰ paslara baylind: :) emre kaya: gerek kalmadi vugraphzuh: ˆ zgˆ…r Bakan hoˆ geldin hobakan: iyi akˆ amlar herkese:) vahaboglu: :).. 8 senmel: hosgeldin ozgur abi.. 5.. Q ebeb: iyi aksamlar rodal f: b:).. A..♣A hikmetd: Fakat kapali ellerde zor:(( april7: yes,also..♣3 gracelin: south chose 6Cbecause he hope his 3rd ¨ ¨ ¨ © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ - 18 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) D can be pitched on north’s Hearts, in a hand like: x AJxx AKxxx AJx april7: bad luck though for NS rodal f: Sr.Was told from a spec. Fit and ♠..♣4.. 2 aruf: dagˆ‰lˆ‰mlarˆ‰ bilirse yapabilir..♠9 baskanb: belki kˆ‰salma oynuyla yapˆ‰labilir emin deˆ ilim ama ˆ¶yle oynanacaˆ ˆ‰nˆ‰ zannetmiyorum,..♠2 hobakan: saˆ olun:) april7: same result as 2 made, but not in a pairs tournament..♠A bjacobs: A trump lead might have caused some headaches I suppose..♠7 hikmetd: Double Dummy= 4 el aˆ§ik..♠K f_aydogdu: normal kontrat 4 h aruf: ama yapmadˆ‰ f_aydogdu: yaptirmak icin ugrasiyo..♠5 f_aydogdu: yapti sanˆ‰rim vahaboglu: ˆ imdi olabilir iˆ te f_aydogdu: olabilir mi oldu vahaboglu: ♠ ekspasˆ‰na oynarken oyun olur f_aydogdu: ele ceksede vahaboglu: sadece mantˆ‰klˆ‰ olan oyundan bahsediyorum f_aydogdu: as rua ceksede ikisinede olur april7: very bad news.. 6 haans: and the sun went down arigun : ♣ Qj ˆ§ope gidiyor karsilikli puanlar uyumsuz cikti arigun: tespit etmesi o kadar kolay degil baskanb: dubble dummy yapˆ‰labilir belki evet april7: Wgave a trick away..♠4 riyilikci: artˆ‰k yapma imkanˆ‰ kalmadˆ‰, muhtemel karo pasˆ‰ atˆ‰p 2 batacak f_aydogdu: simdide orhan abi kizarmistir vugrapha3: mistake, 1 o..♠3 vugrapha3: 1off benjent: Smolanko had an awkward pitch on the 3rd ♣ - which suit to encourage? He has an honour in each, and he wants partner to play none of them murat: sorunsuz bir 4pik izliyoruz.. 3 baskanb: yeniden merhaba baˆ lantˆ‰ sorunu vugraphzuh: kˆ‰sa bir mola..♣8 funtay : 1. bord batan 4 ♠ ye baraj yapilinca Antalya takimi 10 alacaˆ ina iki verdi murat: turnuva hakkˆ‰nda bize biraz bilgi verir misin Tayfun Abi ? rodal f: ♠ to play but loosers will come. Not winners enough..♠8..♣2 hikmetd: evet ¨ © ¨ ¨ - 19 - © © hikmetd: as ve elden kˆ…ˆ§ˆ…k -1 vahaboglu: Ekinci, Nevzat’ aˆ zˆ‰nˆ‰ da aˆ§ maz..♣K © f_aydogdu: abi nedesek tersini yapiyolar..♣9.. ¨ 4.. J vahaboglu: batabilir rodal f : Got a page from Jane. The nice vug operator. http://www.bridgeunlimited.com/bridge /ViewMasterEvent2?code=09ANCT&header=abf There I belive u will find info witch are needed for the ..... 7 rodal f: turney. hikmetd: ama seni duydu ve -2.. K vahaboglu: ˆ§akmaya giderken koz bˆ…yˆ… r..♣5..♣Q f_aydogdu: yer sagdi vahaboglu: bizi ˆ aˆ ˆ‰rtmaya oynadˆ‰ rodal f: Reasaults from the turney so fare: http:// www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php..♣7 hikmetd: eyvah -1.. 2.. 4.. J.. 3.. 7 ¨ ¨ ¨ © ¨ © © © Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board NS: EW: o 3N c 3N 7 7 this/total IMPs Adana B.S.K. 11 Izmir B.B.S.K 9 E 3 600 W 3 600 3 ♠K 5 2 3 97 3 4 K62 5 ♣Q 9 7 5 4 ♠9 8 6 N ♠A Q J 3 QJ4 K10 6 2 W E J53 A87 S ♣K J 8 2 ♣A 6 ♠10 7 4 9-10 9-10 A853 10 Q10 9 4 9 ♣10 3 8 630 W N: B.Koca Open S: T.Kose N E p 1 3N p p p W: N.Kubac ¨ ¨T,3,2,A ©J,7,6,A ¨6,8,Q,J ª4,8,K, #1 S:: #3 W:: #5 N:: #7 S:: E: M.C.Tokay S p p p p 1♣ 2N p © ¨ ¨ ª § ª #2 E:: 2,3,Q,9 #4 S:: 4,5,K,7 #6 S:: 9, 6, 4, 3 athene: specs are suggesting that south’s clubs © should be / were suit-preference.. K rhodaw: I agree, since Smith Echo wsouldn’t apply here sunit: 3nt makes but 4h and 5dia dont Vugraphu1: Cohen & Berk discussing whether B should have switched to hearts - Berk "knew you had both of them" Then discussion about the fact that G had misguessed clubs early - G: "I could ... Vugraphu1: have knocked out the diamond and tried to guess clubs later but then they’d be able to signal Vugraphu1: Berk explained that he thought G had only 4 clubs because he’d finessed..p..p Walddk2: a vugraph lead? Not that it matters..p..1 ♣..p..1 ..p..2N..p..3N sunit: ensuring dia are behaving before he plays a heart..p..p..p.. T Walddk2: same auction at the other table.. 3 ¨ ¨ ¨ Board NS: EW: o 3N c 3N 7 7 this/total IMPs Izmir B.B.S.K 9 Adana B.S.K. 11 E 3 600 W 3 600 3 ♠K 5 2 3 97 3 4 K62 5 ♣Q 9 7 5 4 ♠9 8 6 N ♠A Q J 3 QJ4 K10 6 2 W E J53 A87 S ♣K J 8 2 ♣A 6 ♠10 7 4 9-10 9-10 A853 10 Q10 9 4 9 ♣10 3 8 630 W N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E p 1N p p p p W: A.Aksu § § § ¨ © © ¨ ¨ ª ¨ § ª ¨ ª ¨ © © © © © © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ E: T.Eren S p p p ¨ 1 3N © © ª © ª § ª § ¨ ¨ ¨ © © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ #1 N:: 5,6,T,J #2 W:: J,7,2,A #3 S:: 3,2,7,A #4 E:: 6,3,Q,9 #5 W:: K,4, 7, 5 #6 W:: 9,5,J,7 #7 E:: K,8,4, 2 #8 E:: T, 4,6, 9 #9 E:: A,4,3,K #10 E:: A,T,8,2 #11 E:: 3, 9, 8, K #12 N:: Q, 8,T,5 #13 N:: 6, Q, Q,J bjacobs: This is a juicy one.. 2.. A.. 2.. 3.. Q.. 9.. J.. 7.. 6.. A.. 4.. 5.. K.. 7.. 6.. 8.. Q.. J.. 9..♠6..♣4..♠3..♠4..♠8..♠ K Walddk2: Excellent slam rodal f : Sr was wrong. Here it comes: http:// www.bridgeunlimited.com/bridge/ViewMasterEvent2? code=09ANCT&header=abf hikmetd: udca oynadiklari iˆ§in valeyi atmaliydi arigun: ♠ disindaki coˆ u puanlar iˆ e yaramadi baskanb: 3karo ? zuner: 3nt yapˆ‰yorlar dersleler champ i: 4 nolu boardda hakan tabak 2 h e 3 h deyince 4 h ˆ… bulmuˆ lar doˆ ru konuˆ ma olmuˆ © baskanb: erdi sevenlerini selamlˆ‰yormuˆ ˆ¶ - 20 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) zellikle Bˆ…lenti (bilo) ˆ¶pˆ…yormuˆ baylind: saol erdicim f_aydogdu: 3 nt oynucakalr bence oda olur aruf: Rx Dx pike oynadˆ‰ baskanb: Rx Dx veya 3-3 pike yapˆ‰yordu april7: 4 passes..p..p april7: S should have supported sometimes haans: agree haans: instead of 2♠ ckesgin: A ♣ A olsa bile umudumuz olurdu rodal f: I did not see the last cards at board 6. Should be 1 down normaly. What happend Bjˆ‚rn? ..p arigun: kursat ozsahin hosgeldin MolvaM2: 6. bord 3nt+2 oldu MolvaM2: ama skorlarda gˆ¶zˆ…kmˆ…yor MolvaM2: aˆ§-kapa yapmak gerekecek sanˆ‰rˆ ‰m gene MolvaM2: diˆ er masa ile baˆ lantˆ‰ kopmuˆ gibi duruyor siyabend: kusadasˆ‰ndan selamlar saygˆ‰lar baskanb: mrb selahattin abi hg :) siyabend: mrb april7: why 2 ♠ and not 3 ???..1 haans: but may promise 4 vbman: herkese selamlar hikmetd: Sarikaya puan saymadan oynuyor..p rodal f: First web was TV if u like to follow dif tables..1N funtay: 4 gurupta 8 er takim oynuyor ve guruplardaki ilk 4 takim nakavat maclarina kalicak baskanb: kuzey iˆ§in ˆ§ok zor el gracelin: 2s was alerted and was probably their system bid...p gracelin: ater south cashes two club tricks and shift to a D, north better duck this...3N bjacobs: Looks like Khokan is dispensing with science Walddk2: I am not particularly fond of Blackwood without a spade control rodal f: 2NT alerted? Tells more ♣? elivero: he, had kl 10 good,, ckesgin: kzo ne olsun? ihale kimde kalsˆ ´–n sorularˆ ´–nˆ ´– elimi nasˆ ´–l anlatayˆ ´–m dan ˆ ´ ¶nce sormayˆ ´–nca... vbman: bu bir kazanca benziyor hobakan : dˆ…n R8xxxx tane ile 5 deklere edilip yapˆ‰ldˆ‰.. 2 NT ye karˆ ˆ‰lˆ‰k baskanb: pik uygun daˆ ˆ‰lmˆ‰ˆ kˆ¶rler 4-4 sorunsuz..p Walddk2: Most would have cue bid 4 I guess..p benjent: I guess it’s Good/Bad 2NT - in this case, ¨ ¨ © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ - 21 - Bad champ i: 3 karo iˆ§in h as olmamalˆ‰ rodal f: OK. Order. Thx vug opp..p rodal f: Same contract at the other room elivero: it was nice played by east rodal f: May we say welcome to Roman:) roman505: Hello Rodal, Jacki hikmetd: Yitik +1 yapabilir, eˆ er defansini ¨ bulamazlarsa funtay: maclar 20 bord murat: kozlar 4-0 fakat yine sorunsuz bir zon kontratˆ‰ f_aydogdu: iyi ve cabuk konustular f_aydogdu: uzatmadilar vahaboglu: oyun da ˆ§abuk olabilir vugraphzuh: masada hic konusma olmuyor bjacobs : Bagchi (West) is a brilliant bridge player ... he plays a very psychological sort of game, and 4NT doesn’t surprise me here..♣5 rodal f: U can also go for the vug TV if u like and watch all matches: http://www.bridgeunlimited.com /bridge/ViewMasterEvent2?code=09ANCT& header=abf rodal f: the normal 11-14 NT and a nice balance from E ebeb: 11olur mu bjacobs: However, I wonder if they have just had a Blackwood mixup..♣6 hikmetd: :)) f_aydogdu: abimin eliyle cogu 1nt acmaz vahaboglu: Fikretle biz oynasaydˆ‰k kimbilir kendimizi 5♣ de mi bulurduk, 4 de mi ne..♣T april7: must switch to otherwise makes..♣J bjacobs: My guess is: .. J.. 7.. 2 bjacobs: "1430 strikes again" ... hate that convention rodal f: If first don’t woork try: http://www.bbotv.com /vugraph/ bjacobs: Pause for the post-mortem ... murat: sorunsuz sorunsuz gidiyoruz kˆ‰yˆ‰dan kˆ‰yˆ‰dan funtay: evet simdilik hareket yok f_aydogdu: ama 3 bile acan olabilir hobakan: ˆ…stelik defansta ADVX karo varken rodal f: Resaults from the turney so fare: http:// www.bridgeunlimited.com/bridge/ViewMasterEvent2? code=09ANCT&header=abf.. A funtay: biz yorumcular ve seyircilerin sevmedigi bir durum:) vbman: 5 cl biraz aˆ ˆ‰r bana gˆ¶re senmel: guneyin yerinde oturmak istemezdim arigun: skorlar simdi guncellendi emre kaya: artˆ‰k olmaz © ¨ © © © © Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) roman505: 3D typically agressive "early balance " from Michael Smart...♣3 hikmetd: 7 li ataˆ ina ortaginda K dˆ…sˆ… nemedii gracelin: The spade shift makes life easy for declarer..♣2..♣7 baskanb: boˆ lamanˆ‰n bi faydasˆ‰ yokmuˆ gibi duruyor ama yine de boˆ lamak gerek sanki haans: it happens..♣A benjent: Cash a then 4th ♠ for 1 off rodal f: Y. Seems so. Pass withbad bid with a better hand hobakan: ˆ¶nce aslar sonra paslar der bˆ…yˆ… klerimiz:) benjent: Will Max get this right? Would N shift to a ♣ with ♣Q here?.. 6 vahaboglu: 10 lˆ¶ve dˆ‰ˆ ˆ‰nda lˆ¶ve kalmaz f_aydogdu: y arigun: acik oda 2 board onde gidiyor biraz daha hizli oynaniyor, 19 no’lu boarddan basladilar hikmetd: oynarsa iyi kart oyunu trendi yakalar.. 3 hikmetd: Yoksa defansa mahkum olacak rodal f: Missed the best def as Ben told. Let’s see if decerer fix up the problems now.. Q.. 9 rodal f: Nope rodal f: Never mind how declerer do it no there are to be 8 tricks rodal f: As I have been told Roman played with Smart in 2007. Correct?..♣K roman505: Yes, and the team we beat in this event was SA! roman505: De Luca and Lusk played for SA then, but not the other four they have this year... ♣4 rodal f: By the quatre then I belive:) murat: Geyve ilk maˆ§ˆ‰ 16-13 kazanmˆ‰ˆ ... 7 baskanb: ama karolar da kˆ‰rˆ‰k yani bazan da aˆ§ˆ‰nca iyi olur murat: Toplam 30 etmiyor farkˆ‰ndayˆ‰m.... 5 vbman: cl ye k..♠9 baskanb: bence net bir doˆ ru yok bu el iˆ§in..♠5 MolvaM: kalp kazanmak... ˆ imdi sen boˆ laki ileride o da sana boˆ lasˆ‰n...♠J baskanb: :) baskanb: Vera-Orhan ˆ§ok dikkatli ve uzun dˆ… ˆ ˆ…nerek oynar :)..♠7 siyabend: erhanda sanˆ‰rˆ‰m onlardan geri kalmaz.. K gracelin: on double dummy basis, even a Diamond © © ¨ © © © © © shift and duck won’t beat 3H, declarer can cash tw spades and end-play north in Diamond.. 8.. 4.. 2 vbman: ˆ…ˆ§ˆ…k koymak da acele galiba haans: not a grave error.. T..♠4 hikmetd: en kˆ¶tˆ… defansi yaptilar..♠6 murat e: 10 bile olmayacak april7: but not after first ♣!!!..♣9 haans: did North clubs be lavinthal.. A rodal f: No squize so -1 ckesgin: doˆ ´ unun sorunu teknolojik pas kontr ve konuˆ ´ maya yˆ ´…klenen anlamlarˆ ´– gˆ ´¶ zden geˆ ´§irmeliler emre kaya: bilirse olur salvo darlandˆ‰:).. 4 vahaboglu: Tokcan, atak ettiˆ inde yeri gˆ¶rˆ …nce "keˆ ke ♣ atak etseymiˆ im" demiˆ tir.. 3 f_aydogdu: hehe.. K..♠A rodal f: Or 9?..♠T..♠8..♠2 elivero: :) benjent: Yes, missing so many red cards, there’s no prospect that the pseudo squeeze will work..♠ 3.. 9 vbman: iyi oyun..♣8 hobakan : kontr yol gˆ¶stermiˆ olabilir ama deklaranˆ‰n oyunu gayet baˆ arˆ‰lˆ‰ rodal f: 4Imp NS..♠K..♣Q.. 8.. T.. 5 rodal f: Then the set so fare are NS10 - EW11.. 6..♠Q.. Q.. J benjent : And yet it looks like NS did in fact succumb to the pseudo-squeeze in the other room. End of a long week. © © ¨ © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ © © - 22 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board NS: EW: o 2N c 2♣ 8 8 this/total IMPs Adana B.S.K. 1 12 Izmir B.B.S.K 9 N 2 120 N 2 90 9 ♠5 9-8 A J93 10 8 A10 6 10-9 ♣K J 9 7 2 ♠Q 7 3 N ♠J862 Q85 2 K7 W E 75 Q J832 S ♣A 8 6 4 ♣ Q10 ♠ A K10 9 4 4 4 10 6 4 3 K94 5 ♣5 3 3 420 W: N.Kubac W p p p p N: B.Koca Open S: T.Kose N E 1♣ p 2♣ p 2N p ¨3,4,5,T ©4,2,9,K ©6,5,J,7 ¨6,Q,K,7 ¨A,8,9,§6 E: M.C.Tokay S 1♠ 2 p ¨ ª5,2,K,3 ª6,A,7,§2 ©A,¨2,©T,8 §5,4,K,T #1 E:: #3 S:: #5 S:: #7 N:: #9 N:: #2 N:: #4 E:: #6 N:: #8 S:: Vugraphu1 : Eke asks Berk about his heart holding - 5 to the king - Berk "it doesn’t matter, always makes 5" Vugraphu1 : Now they’re discussing other contracts - I guess 4 . Eke tells Berk his hand and "I played him for J 5th of hearts to beat it" sunit: 4spades can make on a non dia lead..p..1♣ ..p Vugraphu1: Cohen: "is that a strong 2♣?" Berk: "yes" C: "I hope you don’t have a major"..1♠..p rhodaw: Should make 3C now..2♣ Vugraphu1: Eke: "who was thinking over there, Matthew" Eke: "he can have a 4 card major?" Cohen "he can have a 5 card major; if he hates me he’ll have 5 spades" sunit: can make 8 tricks only..p..2 !..3. suit..p..2N..p..p..p.. 3.. 4.. 5.. T..♠5..♠2..♠K..♠3.. 4.. 2.. 9.. K..♠6..♠A..♠7..♣2.. 6.. 5 © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ © © - 23 - ¨ © © © © © © © rhodaw: right, N gets tapped out.. J.. 7.. A.. ¨2..©T..©8..¨6 Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board NS: EW: o 2N c 2♣ 8 8 this/total IMPs Izmir B.B.S.K 9 Adana B.S.K. 1 12 N 2 120 N 2 90 9 ♠5 9-8 A J93 10 8 A10 6 10-9 ♣K J 9 7 2 ♠Q 7 3 N ♠J862 Q85 2 K7 W E 75 Q J832 S ♣A 8 6 4 ♣ Q10 ♠ A K10 9 4 4 4 10 6 4 3 K94 5 ♣5 3 3 420 W: A.Aksu W p p p N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E 1♣ p 2♣ p ¨Q,4,5,A ªK,7,©3,ª6 ¨6,2,9,7 §6,K,T,3 ©9,K,6,5 #1 E:: #3 S:: #5 N:: #7 W:: #9 N:: E: T.Eren S 1♠ p ª5,2,A,3 ª4,Q,§2,ª8 ¨K,§4,¨T,J ©A,7,4,2 §Q,5,8,7 #2 N:: #4 S:: #6 S:: #8 N:: #10 E:: april7: no, but the shift was mandatory if N has 3 ♣..¨Q..¨K..¨7..♣5..♣4..♣K..♣T..¨A..¨8.. ¨9..♣6 Walddk2: There is nothing wrong with 1430, there is something wrong when one of you forget the responses Walddk2: *forgets benjent: Question about where this event leads... rodal f: For vug TV: http://www.bridgebase.com/ client/vugraph.php murat: Antalya BSK ise 22 kapmˆ‰ˆ f_aydogdu: bunlar cok balli f_aydogdu: cok puan geliyo f_aydogdu: 4h sorunsuz arigun: kaptan serhan yalvardi ozcan dayisina dbl demesin diye ama nafile :) siyabend : bu arada boˆ beklemiyelim diye fikrimizi beyan edelim vera nˆ‰n eliyle as altˆ‰ ndan cl atagˆ‰na ne dersiniz april7: although bad ♠ position, still 10 tricks in 4 ♠..p haans: needed for ruffi8ng gracelin: if north’s first club spot showed count, then the 2nd one could be for suit preference april7: but then its to late roman505: The rest of our team were all under 30, Nye-Ware and Geromboux-Griffiths yusufb: herkese eskiˆ ehirden selamlarrr hikmetd: Aˆ§ik oda da Akgˆ…n ♠ pasi yapmamis: (( senmel: soylersek oluyor ama gelebilirmiyiz? riyilikci: hg Yusuf..1♣ april7: e goes all the way..p gracelin : at least let declarer find the double dummy play benjent: The Australian system awards Playoff Points for wins and high finishes in national events yusufb: hoˆ bulduk rahmi baskanb: 5dia MolvaM: yaptˆ‰ˆ ˆ‰m araˆ tˆ‰rmalar sonucuna gˆ¶re ˆ ikansˆ‰z ˆ lemleri kaˆ§ˆ‰rmˆ‰yor kimse rodal f: 2NT are to hard in S now but would have woorked..1♠ benjent: Afetr a bruising year, we have a playoff for the national team(s) amongst the highest playoff-point-scorers hikmetd: selam Yusuf baskanb: 4 kˆ¶r yapˆ‰labiliyo bu elde baskanb: ama sˆ¶ylenemez bjacobs: I spent around 30 years "learning" 3014 ... my brain has only a set number of system changes in it, and I am not going to spend one of them on this pointless exercise..p rodal f : Agree Roland. Normaly 1403 fit the cards better the 0314 rodal f: Will be a + for NS anyway I belive:) aruf: 6 e gelmek cok zor senmel: cok kˆ‰imetli bir el silem icin rodal f: A practic bid..2♣ baskanb: 2 pike pass ? baskanb: panele dˆ¶nelim MolvaM: keycardlarˆ‰ sordun mu rahatsˆ‰n april7: N is wondering whats going on..p haans: 4NT? benjent: The winners of this event get about 3/4 of the points needed for the playoff kiddd: ??? vahaboglu: davet veya daha iyi sekanslarˆ‰ yok © - 24 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) herhalde..p MolvaM: 3♣ ne acaba haans: clubs + shorter diamond..p bjacobs: My wife plays 1430 except in clubs. My comment is: "what a schemozzle" rodal f: Got the spot. vugrapha3: better :) funtay: Kepekˆ§i oyuna hareket getirmeye gayret ediyor:) aruf: bide kˆ¶rˆ… bulmak ayrˆ‰ biˆ ey :) baylind: panel 4 eli gorunce pass diyor f_aydogdu: tamer bey cok saglamci baskanb: merci :) MolvaM: daveti kabul edecek elmiˆ april7: 2 down on ♣ lead.. Q hikmetd: ˆ ikani nasil gˆ¶sterecek bakalim, f_aydogdu: yok dun gece telefon actim lokantada calisiyolardi hobakan: eˆ itken ucuz rengi tercih etmek gibi bir teamˆ…l var ama.... arigun: ♠ partaj olunca ve Q uygun ♠ ile kotratinin farki kalmadi hobakan : onˆ¶rlˆ… olanˆ‰n tercih edilmesi gayet doˆ al MolvaM: seyircilerden bilgi geldi teˆ ekkˆ…rler siyabend: guzel bir slem olacak MolvaM: 4nt yi kim soracak diye birbirlerine ikramda bulunuyorlar murat e: baˆ tan 2 bord fena gidince biraz moraller bozuldu sanˆ‰rˆ‰m ama daha ˆ§ok var dˆ… zelmeleri lazˆ‰m rodal f: De Luca trying to put sand in the machine.. 4 hikmetd: Gˆ¶steremezsse & diyemezler murat: saˆ olsun.. :) funtay: 14 puan ve 5 card major ile 1NT arigun: yani super bir slam hikmetd: gˆ…zel.. 5 hikmetd: Naturel alirsa :(( ben karismam hikmetd: ˆ¶yle bile olsa 6 e dˆ…zeltir hikmetd: Kapali oda link ten yana ˆ anssiz :(( vugraphzuh: Batˆ‰ dˆ…ˆ ˆ…nˆ…yor hikmetd: 4 alert edilmiˆ murat: http://clubs.vugraph.com/tbricfed/teams_ event.php?event=198&stage=435 vahaboglu: fazla yapmaya uˆ raˆ mazsa sorun yok baskanb: 3nt de uygun baskanb: ben 2nt pass a katˆ‰lmˆ‰yorum champ i: evet 3 nt demek lkazˆ‰m april7: ♣ switch!!.. A haans: what has happened to Blackwood you ¨ © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ - 25 - © © may ask? finding game more important april7: it makes on a non ♣ lead yusufb: trekrar merhaba baskanb: Kx kˆ¶r gˆ…zel pikte de marka var takˆ ‰m maˆ§ˆ‰nda sˆ¶ylemek gerek diye dˆ…ˆ ˆ… nˆ…yorum zuner: hasan gˆ…ner disiplinli oyuncudur..birsey dˆ…sˆ…nmˆ…stˆ…r dememek iˆ§in rodal f: And next by 11 I belive..♠5 Walddk2: 11 o’clock? arigun: otelde internet baglantisi maalesef cok kotu bir turlu dikis tutmadi MolvaM: eskiˆ ehirde birisi ara sˆ‰ra internet kablosunun ˆ…stˆ…ne basˆ‰yor sanˆ‰rˆ‰m gracelin: declarer still needs to guess spade..♠2 yusufb: 6 tek sayˆ‰da keycard ve siganˆ‰ gosteriyo bjacobs: Rodal, I reckon you would be great on Twitter..♠A baskanb: elbette bi dˆ…ˆ ˆ…ncesi vardˆ‰r :) baskanb: anlatamadˆ‰m kuzeyin elinden 2 pike pass ? MolvaM: ˆ lem elini diˆ er oda 5 kˆ¶r oynuyor MolvaM: henskor eˆ itlenecek MolvaM: hatta hendek ˆ¶ne geˆ§iyor begse: bu lˆ¶vede karo yerine kˆ¶r dˆ¶nˆ…lse 2 ♠ batˆ‰yordu herkese gnd baskanb: Nafiz abi hg :) MolvaM: gˆ…naydˆ‰n sn nafiz zorlu :) benjent: Good X of 4♠ by Smolanko to get his side in the game..♠3 roman505: Another straightforward hand after the early excitement, but I think we will have more to come hikmetd: = april7: low high signal!..♠K champ i: ikili oynarken olurda burak ’ ˆ‰n dediˆ i gibi ama takˆ‰mda bencede 3 demek lazˆ‰m siyabend: benim ˆ ansˆ‰mdanda olabilir cengiz arigun: belkide selahattin :) arigun: deklerer edilmesi ve oynanmasi cok zor olmaya bir slam arigun: bu elde en cok dusunen vera oldu atak icin :) arigun: aceba kontratin kaderi benim atiagima mi bagli diye dusunuyordur :) yusufb: 6♠ sorunsuz ..♠7.. 3 murat: bu ataktan sonra Kepekli 11 el alacak f_aydogdu: orhan abi biliyosun hep lokantada bric calisir f_aydogdu: kucuk karo oynasin f_aydogdu: en iyi oyun o ¨ ¨ © Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) zuner: 2 kˆ¶re 2 pik demedi..piklerinde yetersiz oldugunu dˆ…sˆ…ndˆ… bence..1nt 5 li pik ˆ§ˆ… nkˆ…..♠6 baskanb: evet ama neticede 24-25 puan var ve ˆ§ alˆ‰ˆ abilecek renklere sahibiz arigun: ya karar vermi,sti de 10’lu mu 8 li mi diye dusunuyordu MolvaM: kim dˆ…ˆ ˆ…nˆ…yor MolvaM: yoksa gene kopmak ˆ…zere miyiz vugraphzuh : yok ufak bir ara verildi ˆ imdi oyuncular tekrar yerlerinde rodal f: Y. But I belive 4 ♠ are -1 so + already after the bid from W..♠4 rodal f: 0230 in Denmark..♠Q vugrapha3: 11:30 rodal f: Nearly as they should have bidded 3NT gracelin: because after 3 rounds of trump, he has only one trump left and has two losers to cover.. ♣2 bjacobs: My watch must be fast ... hikmetd: claim zamani ckesgin: 4 savunma istemeyen el olmalˆ ´– zuner: savunmuyorum ama saygi duyuyorum haans: they almost made 4 almost..♠8 vahaboglu: Ekinci, Merze’ nin apellerine pek gˆ …veniyor zuner: dengesiz el oldugunu dˆ…sˆ…ndˆ….. 6 f_aydogdu: gnd abi april7: its agood save against 4 ♠.. 2.. 9 april7: can’t duck this and take second, then must also duck second f_aydogdu: kesikmisin siyabend: slm.. 7 begse: karo geˆ§iˆ kalsa 4 cˆ… kˆ¶r kozu terfi ettirecekti.. K gracelin: if West wins this and shift to Heart, north needs to take HA and play a spade to A immediately, ..♣4 f_aydogdu: boyuda uzundur orhan abinin april7: y.. T.. J haans: decl knows (:) wast hane only 1 spade rodal f: 20 looks like a might funny board..♣6 vahaboglu: :) zuner: kˆ¶r 3-3 ˆ§ikiyor..olmayabilirde gracelin: it’s too late after find out clubs don’t break..♣K rodal f: Might Bill. Are not inside that web page:) Walddk2: what happened to the 10 minutes? do you just dump them in Oz? vahaboglu: marka bile harcamadˆ‰ vallahi..♣ T..♣3.. A.. 7 baskanb: elbette dˆ…ˆ ˆ…nceye ve kiˆ iliklere ¨ ¨ © © © © © © © ¨ ¨ ¨ saygˆ‰lˆ‰yˆ‰z biz de kendi dˆ…ˆ ˆ…ncelermimiz sˆ¶ylˆ…yoruz :) zuner: yillarca partnerlik yaptim hasan la..disiplinden sasmiyor.. f_aydogdu: gltasaray basket takˆ‰mˆ‰ndaydˆ ‰ eskiden.. 4 bjacobs: And in Denmark, according to Rodal’s comment.. 2.. 9.. K rodal f: I have some problems by net so some min was dumped y:( gracelin: it’s agood try by playing spade first, but he need to guess the spade situation.. 6 roman505: Will ACT be too far behind by then? They need some more swings now... 5..♣Q..♣ 5..♣8 ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ © © - 26 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board NS: EW: o 1N c 1N 9 9 E E this/total IMPs Adana B.S.K. 12 Izmir B.B.S.K 5 14 1 90 -1 100 6 8 5 6 6 ♠K J 6 Q4 10 9 7 4 3 ♣Q 9 7 ♠ A10 3 N ♠7 2 10 9 7 5 A632 W E Q5 2 AK J S ♣10 6 4 ♣A 5 3 2 ♠Q 9 8 5 4 K J8 86 ♣K J 8 110 W: N.Kubac W p N: B.Koca Open S: T.Kose N E p 1N p ª5,A,6,2 ©3,J,5,4 ªJ,§5,ªQ,T ª4,§4,¨9,©6 #1 S:: #3 E:: #5 N:: #7 S:: 6 5 8 7 7 E: M.C.Tokay S p ©T,Q,A,8 ª9,3,K,7 ª8,¨2,7,©2 ©K,7,¨3,§2 #2 W:: #4 S:: #6 S:: #8 S:: Vugraphu1: Berk says something about 3♠, and Eke says if they cash their 3 diamonds they can hold spades to 2..♣7 sunit: so a heart lead did not cost anything, 8 tricks always there in a club contract sunit: if Ns are in 4spades here only a heart lead will beat it..p..1N! Vugraphu1: Eke asks if 1 shows spades here, and Berk shakes his head - only in competition..p Walddk2: Larsen did not find the diamond lead against 4♠ on board 8..p..p..♠5..♠A..♠6..♠2.. T.. Q Walddk2: and declarer took a ruffing finesse in clubs sunit: so a favourable lead for the declarer.. A.. 8.. 3 Vugraphu1: Berk first put his hand down then explained that if Eke didn’t ruff with the 7 he could ruff with the 4 in dummy and have a high cross ruff, and if he ruff with the 7 about the ..... © © © © © - 27 - © ©J..©5..©4..♠9..♠3..♠K..♠7..♠J..♣5..♠Q..♠ T..♠8..¨2..¨7..©2..♠4..♣4..¨9..©6..©K..© 7..¨3 Vugraphu1: same Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board NS: EW: o 1N c 1N 9 9 E E this/total IMPs Izmir B.B.S.K 5 14 Adana B.S.K. 12 1 90 -1 100 ♠K J 6 Q4 10 9 7 4 3 ♣Q 9 7 ♠ A10 3 N ♠7 2 10 9 7 5 A632 W E Q5 2 AK J S ♣10 6 4 ♣A 5 3 2 ♠Q 9 8 5 4 K J8 86 ♣K J 8 110 W: A.Aksu W p N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E p 1N p ª4,3,J,2 ©5,4,2,8 ª9,§4,¨4,©3 §J,6,7,A #1 S:: #3 W:: #5 S:: #7 S:: 6 8 5 6 6 6 5 8 7 7 E: T.Eren S p ªK,7,5,A ªQ,T,6,§3 ª8,¨2,T,§2 ¨A,,, #2 N:: #4 S:: #6 S:: #8 E:: april7: its on a finesse, which is unfortunately wrong, I mean 5 ♣..♣2 benjent: All finished in the other room, but 2 left here hikmetd: 7 baraji sikam alertinden sonra hep yapilmali bence vugraphzuh: sˆ‰ksˆ‰k baˆ lantˆ‰ problemiyle karˆ ˆ‰laˆ ˆ‰yoruz baskanb: ne gˆ…zel uzun vadede kazanan yolda demek ki :) zuner: kaldiki banada yapiyor :)))) hehehehehe zuner: niye demedin diyorum..demem diyor :) baskanb: 6karo begse: 12 kiˆ iyiz zaten son 2 maˆ§ oynamadˆ‰k bu tur bye sonuncuyuda oynamayˆ‰z herhalde baskanb: geniˆ kadronun avantajlarˆ‰ :) f_aydogdu: derseler 4h olur pik rua uctundan f_aydogdu: rakipte 4sp 2batar gerci arigun: bizim ne dedigimizin pek bir onemi yok, tek oluru ise mactan sonra takim arkadaslarinin ¨ ¨ ne diyecegi onemli gracelin: if spades break 4-1, it’s 3 : 2 that west’s singleton is a small one rather than an honor...p haans: 2nt almost forcing nowday april7: only3NT..1N baskanb: bence sˆ¶ylenir april7: N will open..p zuner: evet oluyor april7: if its not GF then W will pass 2NT..p elivero: hi was in game direct,,is that normal bid? rodal f: Sa 10 - ACT 30 so fare at the set, and a new leader rodal f: For people who are interested at resaults from J26 Europa: http://www.eurobridge.org/ competitions/09Brasov/Asp/RoundTeams.asp? qtournid=732&qroundno=22 murat: 1NT aˆ§ˆ‰ˆ seti gibi murat: bu elde biraz hareket var neyse ki vahaboglu: 2 = majˆ¶rler herhalde baskanb: ama artˆ‰k sˆ¶ylemek imkansˆ‰z :( baskanb: 1nt aˆ§ˆ‰ˆ ˆ‰yla hemfikir deˆ ilim arigun: arada surekli biiiiip olan bir suru konusma olur zuner: kamil abinin sagi solu belli olmaz:)..p champ i: 2 nt aˆ§sa kimse biˆ ey demez baskanb: bu 3cl nin alertˆ… soralˆ‰m vugrapha ? april7: N could bid now a preemtive 3♣,not 2..♠ 4 benjent: Bookallil-Fischer won’t like their finish in the Open Room - 22 imps out rodal f: Nice on bad ♣ of rodal f: ♠ roman505: Everything lay well for declarer on the last hand, but biding 3NT was unlikely on their auction. roman505: SA may reach three here though. yusufb: toplam 32 takˆ‰m var ve takˆ‰mlar 4 erli 8 gruba ayrˆ‰lmˆ‰ˆ durumda gruplarda ma ˆ§lar 20 ˆ er bord olmak ˆ…zere toplam 7 tane ilk 4 sˆ‰rayˆ‰ alan takˆ‰mlar bir ˆ…st tura cˆ‰ kacak funtay: 4 ? f_aydogdu: he baskanb: 3kˆ¶r davet galiba :) ckesgin: bu alert edildi mi 3 ? vugraphzuh: blokatˆ‰f olarak alert edˆ‰ldˆ‰ Walddk2: negative = spades..♠3 rodal f: For set the contract down it was needed a ♠ lead I belive f_aydogdu: ar pik f_aydogdu: pik f_aydogdu: gider abim 2ye kadar batabilir © © © © - 28 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) haans: but do they have 8 but not 9???..♠J gracelin: depending on the range of 2NT vahaboglu: empasˆ‰ yaparsa 1 batar f_aydogdu: efet begse : oyuncu 3 derse daha yapˆ‰cˆ‰ el © ¨ bildiririm diye korktu ama rekabette kaˆ§ˆ‰yor partneri 3nt derdi o da yaptˆ‰rˆ‰lailir vugraphzuh: 7-9 4lu fit baskanb: kamil abi ˆ§ok tutucu davrandˆ‰ ˆ§ok kaliteli bir renk yanda aslarla beraber 17 sayˆ‰.. ♠2 f_aydogdu: 2 hde kalmak enterasan 4 demek lazim gibi baskanb: trefl cebid inin dummy de olduˆ una dair net bi endikasyon varsa dˆ…ˆ ˆ…nˆ…lebilir ama bu deklarasyonda cengiz abinin dediˆ i gibi tek bien olabilir arigun: herne kadar dengeli 14-9 olsa da markalar cok iyi april7: then S might stop in 4..♠K roman505: If they do, it may wrap up the match roman505: No! murat: 2♣ majˆ¶rler, 2 iyisini sˆ¶yle MolvaM : diˆ er masada ˆ¶zgˆ…r bakan 4 X oynuyor funtay: eger 5-5 majoru biliyorsa bid mˆ…mkˆ… n..♠7 vugraphzuh: Batˆ‰ dˆ…ˆ ˆ…nˆ…yor aruf: zonda iyimser blokatif yapˆ‰yorlar sanˆ‰r ˆ‰m gracelin: West will bid game if 2NT shows 22+.. ♠5 april7: then its GF, but with 22??? haans: 3♣ easy puppet Walddk2: 10 or 11 tricks depending on how well he guesses hearts rodal f: Are home now f_aydogdu: ekpasa 2 champ i: 1 karo sonra 2 nt belki 6 karo zorlanabilir april7: but 5 is ok, Qof could be ok..♠A.. 5 Walddk2: Clubs a non-issue on this layout benjent: I wonder if Smolanko had a little try for game, and gave it up after a 2 minimum response rodal f: NS to gain 1 IMP more? benjent : I think so - looks like 9 tricks are available rodal f: New .. 4 hikmetd: +1 yusufb: kalan 16 takˆ‰m 16*3 48 bord nakavt oynicak finale kadar boyle devam final 16*4 64 bord oynanacak murat: Kepekˆ§i sanˆ‰rˆ‰m bu eli ortaˆ ˆ‰na ¨ © ¨ © ¨ ©© - 29 - ¨ oynatmak istedi, bu yˆ…zden 2 ile sordu vahaboglu: belki olur ˆ imdi vahaboglu: ama yetmiyor galiba, yerden 4♠ yaparsa olur f_aydogdu: cakaya oynar bir batar baskanb : evet o durumda da cevapˆ§ˆ‰da dengeli 12 olduˆ u iˆ§in 3 ntde kalˆ‰nabilir ama ufak da olsa bi ˆ anslarˆ‰ olabilirdi f_aydogdu: bu el 7 9 3lu fit gibi degil daha iyi el olarak konusur rodal f: Kan kill it by a neew ♣.. 2 funtay: obˆ…r odada bord 4 de 14 ile Nt aciˆ i 11 imp getirmiˆ Antalyaya gracelin: not necessary game forcing, just showed some range and West thought his 3 is enough for game... 8 haans: sort of agree with you but Mackwell boys never passed baskanb: o zaman bence 3 cl ˆ§ok az hele ki takˆ ‰m maˆ§ˆ‰ yapˆ‰ldˆ‰ˆ ˆ‰ dˆ…ˆ ˆ…nˆ…ldˆ …ˆ ˆ…nde f_aydogdu: weranˆ‰n eli 1 nt acmistir april7: duck first ..♠Q gracelin: then you lose your own club suit. rodal f: Same but J21: http://www.eurobridge.org /competitions/09Brasov/Asp/RoundTeams.asp? qtournid=732&qroundno=22 zuner: 1 d acabilirdi aslinda vahaboglu: nevzat yerine kˆ¶r oynasa olurdu.. ♠T arigun: evet..♠6 gracelin: decarer will probably play hearts to be 4-4, and guess spade..♣3 zuner: daha rahat olurdu benjent: Playing safe with the K, and back to 8 tricks.....♠9 murat: biz Tˆ…rkler 14 ile 1NT aˆ§ma sˆ‰klˆ‰ ˆ ˆ‰nda kainatta uzak ara lider gidiyoruz....♣4 rodal f: AND ♣ NOW.. 4 MolvaM: bence 3 = 4kˆ¶rˆ… ancak bˆ¶yle kaˆ§ ˆ‰rabiliriz ortak vugraphzuh: d-b 3 da hem fikir deˆ il baskanb: ya da kˆ¶r koz olmak kaydˆ‰yla 9 el alabiliriz :) arigun: 15-17 NT oynayanlar kaliteli 14 (iyi 5’li renk veya cok 10’lu destekli) 1nt aciyorlar ki bende hemfikir’im.. 3..♠8 funtay: :).. 2 murat: nedense 14 puanlarˆ‰n %80’ni de iyi oluyor vahaboglu: ˆ¶zˆ…r, lˆ¶veye gelemiyor.. T..♣ 2..♣J © © © ¨ © © ¨ ¨ © © ¨ Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) f_aydogdu: bhende naturel oynasam 1nt acardim rodal f: WD W..♣6 murat: dolayˆ‰sˆ‰yla hemen 1NT :)..♣7 f_aydogdu: 3karo daha iyi el oynuyorsalar 3karo demeliydi gracelin: or some one discards a heart :)..♣A haans: dummy is 3 tricks april7: N must step in in ♠ bjacobs: He should probably continue clubs after drawing trumps - might have an endplay in some scenarios senmel: karoya 10 koyma plani.. A vugraphzuh: ufak bir mola ¨ Board NS: EW: o 1N c 1N 10 this/total IMPs Adana B.S.K. 12 Izmir B.B.S.K 14 N -1 100 E 1 90 10 ♠K J AQ2 Q J75 ♣10 9 8 6 ♠A 9 8 5 N ♠ Q10 6 J953 K10 4 W E K2 10 9 6 3 S ♣K 7 5 ♣A 4 2 ♠7 4 3 2 876 A84 ♣Q J 3 140 W: N.Kubac W p p N: B.Koca Open S: T.Kose N E p 1N p ¨ ¨ © ª © § § 5 4 4 6 6 8 9 9 7 6 E: M.C.Tokay S p p ª ¨ © ª ª § © ª § #1 E:: 3,4,K,5 #2 W:: 5,K,6,2 #3 N:: Q,6,8,2 #4 N:: 7,9,A, 3 #5 S:: 6,5,Q,K #6 E:: Q,3,8,J #7 E:: T,4,A, 2 #8 W:: 9, 6, 4, 7 #9 W:: 5,8,A,3 #10 E:: 2,J,K,9 #11 W:: 7,,, Vugraphu1: After a moment, EW agreed, except for some comment about the trump A, to which Berk said "I’m not claiming 5"..p Walddk2 : 4 ♠ could be anything opposite a limited opening..p..p..1N!..p sunit: no hope here..p..p.. 3 rhodaw: The D lead gives declarer no chance Vugraphu1: Berk: "no surprise that the bidding has come to a grinding halt" figo: t sunit: actually cannot make on any lead, defence has to shift to a dia after winning the 1st heart sunit: Hi Arvind.. 4.. K.. 5..♠5..♠K..♠6..♠ 2.. Q.. 6 Vugraphu1: Cohen: "I guessed it".. 8.. 2 Vugraphu1: Cohen just leaned under the screen to see who was turning the dummy "just figured I ’d see who was there; had to be prettier than ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ - 30 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) ¨ Vugraphu1: Cohen: "this is truly a lost cause down 1"..¨9..¨A..©3..©6..©5..©Q..©K David".. 7 Board NS: EW: o 1N c 1N 10 this/total IMPs Izmir B.B.S.K 14 Adana B.S.K. 12 N -1 100 E 1 90 10 ♠K J AQ2 Q J75 ♣10 9 8 6 ♠A 9 8 5 N ♠ Q10 6 J953 K10 4 W E K2 10 9 6 3 S ♣K 7 5 ♣A 4 2 ♠7 4 3 2 876 A84 ♣Q J 3 140 W: A.Aksu W 1♣ p N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E p p 1N p ©8,3,2,T ¨7,3,4,K ªT,4,8,J ¨8,©5,¨J,6 ©A,4,6,9 #1 S:: #3 N:: #5 E:: #7 S:: #9 N:: 5 4 4 6 6 8 9 9 7 6 E: T.Eren S p p ª § ¨ ¨ ª § © #2 E:: Q,2,5,K #4 W:: 5,9,A,3 #6 N:: 5,9,A,2 #8 N:: Q,T, 3, 7 #10 N:: Q,,, bjacobs: Well hello..♠Q..♠3..♠8..♠J..♠T..♠ © © 4..♠A.. 2..♠9..♣6.. 4..♠7..♣5..♣8..♣A..♣ 3..♣2..♣J..♣K..♣9..♣7 rodal f: Last board are comminig up. Thx all for joyning:) Thx also for the nice inputs the specs have been givin vugrapha3: last for this set restart at 3:30pm local time funtay: Dogu ilk piki alip kor as kor oynasaydi dekleren durumu bilemeyebilirdi haans: thats how the mackwell boys make their contract..p april7: its easy for you to lough:):) you are not playing haans: right rodal f: Draw so fare by the set. 8 - 8 caitlin: yes sorry I am in that room super nova: I am hoping to see a repeat of the - 31 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) 2002 ANC caitlin: bye super nova: Do you remember that one bill? benjent: Last board of this set. Thanks to my co- commentator Rodal vahaboglu: 2NT=2 renkli el kuvvetli bjacobs: Yes, I believe that final was one by an overtrick imp on the final board..p vahaboglu: DBl ile de baˆ lanabilir ama daˆ ˆ‰lˆ ‰m uygun deˆ ilˆ 1down..1♣ april7: 4NT? and then 5 elivero: is it possible to stop in 4 here? vbman: karo rua kˆ¶r dv, ve cl j ye ihtiyaˆ§ yok baskanb: kont mu 2 dia mˆ‰ rodal f: 11-14 NT again..p vugrapha3: last board for now restar at 2pm rodal f: A SPECIAL ON for the great vug operator. Nice woork vugrapha3: ta, and thanks for watching elivero: 2 sp here i think was a good bid,,describe the hand well f_aydogdu: pas diyebilir bjacobs: won..1N super nova: yes.. it was crazy rodal f: And stole the contract benjent: Thanks also to Jane on the keys and of course the players for putting on the show f_aydogdu: derken dedi senmel: en uygun yerde durdular vahaboglu: transfer oynuyorlarmˆ‰ˆ champ i: ben 2 diadan yanˆ‰ndayˆ‰m f_aydogdu: 6 gidecekler ama kotu dagilim MolvaM: 32 puan ama 6nt iˆ§in deklaranˆ‰n uˆ raˆ masˆ‰ gerek vahaboglu: sonra 3♣ diyecekti..p senmel : tek renkli el diyip 3 tref diycekti. 2 renkli kuvvetli olucakti(sanirim) MolvaM: iˆ te Q ˆ‰n yeri belli oldu senmel: 10 love korden yapilabilir hobakan: doˆ u-batˆ‰nˆ‰n mˆ…dahil olmasˆ‰ gerekiyor konuˆ malara baskanb: 3nt yapˆ‰lˆ‰yor ama deklarabl deˆ il :) super nova: SA V NSW..p super nova: SA winning rodal f: 29HP total. Will they bid as the other table? yusufb: bora1♠ ten sonra rebid soprunu var diye 2nt actˆ‰ bu el iˆ§in kazandˆ‰ f_aydogdu: ataktan kazanacak bence MolvaM: pik atak gelebilir ama bjacobs: Is this a good slam?..p Walddk2: yes © © super nova: Clubs or heart slam rodal f: Started 1H - 2♣ in the other room bjacobs: OK Walddk2: 6♣ is excellent super nova: 6c is par.. 7 h or 7c no way bjacobs: Is it a good grand slam? super nova: :-S super nova: no super nova: 68% grand approx rodal f: May we see the same good bidding here? But by 2-2♣ needed benjent: This contract drifted 3 off in the Open room - let’s see if Khokan can do better.... rodal f: But will be minimum2 down hobakan: ama uzun pik tarafˆ‰ndan son adam m ˆ…dahale edemediler vugrapha3: this is the last board all results can be ound at http://www.bridgeunlimited.com/bridge/ ViewMasterEvent2?code=09ANCT&header= abf.. 8 vugraphzuh: bu boarddan sonra kisa bir mola vericez murat: gˆ…naydˆ‰n :) vahaboglu: hoˆ geldin Murat vugraphzuh: Baˆ lantˆ‰ problemi yaˆ adˆ‰k moladan sonra murat: herkes dikkatli.. zonlar sˆ¶yleniyor.. 3 baskanb: pik ve kˆ¶r atakalrˆ‰na yapˆ‰lˆ‰yor bjacobs: 2♠ looks very strange to me.. 2 Walddk2: 68%? bjacobs: About 46% I think, to pick up that club suit super nova: 68% = You want to bid 68% grands approx.. and clearly this is not it. ;-) super nova: clubs 2-2 = 40%. rodal f: And at least to The Australian Federation BBO by all there nice people. ( Wald are at sleep) We was Bjˆ‚rn and Frank from norway trying to help f_aydogdu: karoyada yapar rodal f: Can get hard to find the slam I belive.. T super nova: Just thinking about the extra 6% that bill mentioned ckesgin: 2♠ aˆ ´§ˆ ´–lmayˆ ´–nca batˆ ´– iˆ ´§in kolaylaˆ ´ mˆ ´–ˆ ´ tˆ ´– iˆ ´ ler aslˆ ´–nda MolvaM: ve karo :) f_aydogdu: pas atarak bjacobs: But you can pick up singleton J or Q with North..♠Q senmel: anterim hg. champ i: karonun kalitesi iyi olduˆ u iˆ§in © © © © - 32 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) elivero: And thx to Frank that use so mucth of his time for uss here,,thx Frank..♠2 rodal f: In the otherroom S bidded 1♠. Gave room for the opps baskanb: olabilir evet april7: now a crossruff is coming..♠5 bjacobs : Losing to doubleton QJ - that’s the extra 6% Walddk2: if you guess it sybarra: if you note the bidding in our room was bing bang boom super nova : I think I would play it that way based on restricted choice if an honour was played from N bjacobs: If you don’t, you consign yourself to 40 % elivero: there we go:) MolvaM: yani %75 lik ˆ lemmiˆ demekki :) baskanb: evet f_aydogdu: tabi f_aydogdu: ahu abla atak yapsa daha iyiydi f_aydogdu: yapacak bence bu kaadi f_aydogdu: pik 8li baskanb: yerin 2cl deklaresinden sonra tref ˆ§ˆ‰ kmak ˆ§okkk zorr MolvaM: etkin ♣7 ˆ§ˆ‰kacak bence baskanb: pik 8 zuner : raki koyayim geliyorum:)) iˆ§meden seyretmek olmaz..♠K.. 7 benjent: Low to the J looks like the best ployt to create tricks, but doesn’t work here.. 3.. 4 rodal f: Can play small !X to A and benjent: Might still generate a little by playing ♣ to the A then a to the 9 rodal f: Makes 5 benjent: Snap, Rodal! rodal f: Or. Best small MolvaM: anˆ‰nda rahatladˆ‰ deklaran rodal f: I take my words back:).. K rodal f: 2 4rth. Then after 3 a que on the road? baskanb: ama kont deyince serbest 2pike pass demek biraz tutucu..♣5 april7: thats the last hand..♣9 bjacobs: Their auction was a little mysterious, but I suppose once West 4th-suited, East was bidding a slam..♣A..♣3 baskanb: multinin gˆ…zelliˆ i renk belli olmadan tavˆ‰r almak zorlaˆ ˆ‰yo..♠T vugrapha3: Play has finished and will resume in about 20 minutes time...♠4 vugrapha3: that is, 2100 EST vugrapha3: Thanks to everybody. See you when ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ - 33 - © ¨ ¨ ¨ play resumes. roman505: Congratulations to SA roman505: They came home against an ACT team which had led most of the round robin..♠8 rodal f: And afterthe ques. 5 = do u like ure quality at ? rodal f: Hard to stop at 4 elivero: ur missing 3 topp in long suit,,it could be a warning sign,,but it easy when u see all cards roman505: In the last auction, 2D was forcing to game and 3H a strong raise. roman505: Perhaps as commented elsewhere, it is often unwise to use 4NT with weak trumps. roman505: Thank you all. Bye now. vugrapha3: thanks all see u next year :) hobakan: hepimizin multi’ye 5 li kˆ¶r ile araya girip aˆ§anˆ‰n majˆ¶rˆ…nˆ… bulmuˆ luˆ umuz vardˆ‰r. hobakan: :) hayat baskanb: renk belli olduˆ unda da tavˆ‰r alacak adamˆ‰n konuˆ ma hakkˆ‰ kalmamˆ‰ˆ olabiliyor vbman: 2sp de biraz korkutucu vbman: kˆ¶re hazˆ‰r..♠J april7: thanks all and bye till next time we meet.. 5 funtay: kor rua cekilmedimi?.. 9 murat: +1 ? vugraphzuh: cekildi ben kacirdim sry funtay: yoksa ilk kore ruami koydu? funtay: ok:) vahaboglu: 9 lu mu verildi bjacobs: Still their auction lacks conviction. For example, did anyone see a diamond cue bid from West?.. A.. 2 benjent: Well done Khokan, tightens the match up a little rodal f: Will hang at 5 loosers as I see it. Right Bj ˆ‚rn?:) rodal f: 6 on?.. 8 MolvaM: TBF’nin final maˆ§ˆ‰nˆ‰ gˆ¶rˆ…ntˆ …lˆ… vermesini bekli Walddk2: mere details.. 5 Walddk2: Thx all.. J bjacobs: Cheers ... see you again shortly, after the scoreup rodal f: thx all vugrapha3: cheers all back in 35min MolvaM: yoruz.. 6 gracelin: bye.. Q.. T..♠3 rodal f: New ♣ and 5 I belive..♣7 baskanb: birol abinin 3 piki de zorlama baskanb: 4 karoya kadar yapˆ‰labiliyodu.. A.. © © ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ © ¨ ¨ ¨ © Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) ©4 champ i: 3 hde batˆ‰yordu zuner: o el 3 karo aˆ§ˆ‰yormu 9 nolu board zuner: pardon 7 nolu champ i: burak ˆ‰n dediˆ i gibi aˆ§ar aˆ§maz deˆ iˆ ir herhalde champ i: ben aˆ§mamaktan yanayˆ‰m zuner: asla aˆ§mam baskanb: ben ˆ¶yle dˆ…ˆ ˆ…nˆ…yorum belki standart olarak aˆ§mamak gerek ama baskanb: aˆ§ana neden aˆ§tˆ‰m demem :) MolvaM: hazˆ‰r 3G devri de baˆ lamˆ‰ˆ ken.. 6 MolvaM: bence en iyisi doˆ unun baˆ ta 1 minˆ¶r a ˆ§masˆ‰ydˆ‰.. 9 vugraphzuh: ufak bir mola baskanb: evet 2karoya pass lada hemfikir deˆ ilim ckesgin: gelene kontr atmayacaksa baˆ ´ tan konuˆ ´ mak zorundaydˆ ´– kontr da 2 e seˆ ´§ enekolabilirdi MolvaM: bugˆ…nlerde herkes 4333 daˆ ˆ‰lˆ‰ml ˆ‰ 11 puanlarˆ‰ bile aˆ§ˆ‰yor vugraphzuh: ewet.. Q MolvaM: keˆ ke kˆ¶r as ˆ§ˆ‰ksaymˆ‰ˆ . oyun ˆ§ abuk biterdi vugraphzuh: mola.. vahaboglu: falce carding vahaboglu: false vahaboglu: belki J ikiliye oynar diye herhalde f_aydogdu: mola murat: ˆ ˆ…kriye Hanˆ‰m dikkatli oynadˆ‰.. As karonun Orhan Abi’de olduˆ u puandan belli. 9lu karoya kanmadˆ‰ vahaboglu: As ikili zannederse bir ekmek ˆ§ˆ‰ kardˆ‰ murat: Ax kalmˆ‰ˆ ise, ilk karoyu bˆ‰rakarak boˆ yere kendi lˆ¶vesini riske etmiˆ olacaktˆ‰ defans. ˆ ˆ…kriye Hanˆ‰m dikkatli :) vahaboglu: ancak asˆ‰ olan onˆ¶rˆ… ezerdi diye dˆ…ˆ ˆ…ndˆ… herhalde senmel: 4 kor oynasa cok sansli bord f_aydogdu: 4 h hep yapar © © © © ¨ Board NS: EW: o c 6♠ 11 this/total IMPs Izmir B.B.S.K Adana B.S.K. N 7 1010 11 6 ♠Q 9 8 5 2 13-12 9864 2 3 A 12 ♣Q 7 2 ♠6 N ♠ 74 QJ A K10 7 5 3 2 W E J10 7 6 3 2 K954 S ♣ J10 4 3 ♣ ♠ A K J10 3 4 0 10 Q8 10-9 ♣ AK 9 8 6 5 1 1510 N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E W: A.Aksu W p 5 p p © 1♠ 6♣ 6♠ © ª © ª ¨ ª § © 4 p p ª § E: T.Eren S 1♣ 4N 6 p © #1 E:: A, T, J,4 #2 S:: A,6,2,4 #3 S:: K, 2, 5,7 #4 S:: 5,3,Q, 5 #5 N:: 2,,, vugraphzuh: ER,son pikle yere geˆ§ti kˆ¶r vale ˆ §evirdi as koydu gecen el senmel: hersey uygun baskanb: Merhabalar f_aydogdu: oooo kardes hg senmel: slm baskan murat: selam champ i: selamlar f_aydogdu : guzel yorumlarˆ‰nla masamizi renklendir baskanb: Merci abicim size de bol ˆ ans :) vahaboglu: merhaba Hakan, hoˆ geldin vahaboglu: Burak sana da MolvaM: bu el ˆ§ok daha iyi ckesgin: doˆ ´ unun 1♣ aˆ ´§masˆ ´–na da katˆ ´ –lˆ ´–yorum f_aydogdu: 4h..1♣..p murat: kanlˆ‰ bir el geldi senmel: bi 4 kor daha © - 34 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) f_aydogdu: rakipde 4spder buna senmel: pikte olur tref bilinirse..1♠..4 MolvaM : bir keresinde oyunculardan birisi © vugraftaki yorumculara bozulup bana ˆ ikayette bulunmuˆ tu... MolvaM: o yorumcular bizim masada nekadar streste olduˆ umuzu asla bilemezler diye arigun: mumkun tabii ki ancak cok iyi bir internet baglantisi lazim baskanb: transferi 4 pik diye alabilir :)..4N champ i: *..5 murat: 11puan 5332 ile oyun aˆ§mayˆ‰ tercih etti vugraphzuh: dekleran7cl 2pik bir karo alip karti +1 yapti f_aydogdu: biz oynamiyoruzya bilmiyoz MolvaM: ben de merak etme hepsi bilirler deyince de bana bozulmuˆ tu senmel: tref karomu senmel: key card mi soruyor? murat: trefi bilir herhalde..6♣..p baylind: 4sp diyoruz vugraphzuh: salvo minˆ¶rler gibi dˆ…ˆ ˆ…ndˆ… ˆ ˆ…nˆ… sˆ¶yledi perde arkadasˆ‰na f_aydogdu: kizsa zor:))..6 vahaboglu: oyun aˆ§anda !q ˆ‰ ararsa yapar vahaboglu: ♣Q baskanb: ˆ§ok agresif murat: Kepekˆ§i’nin fazla zorlamamasˆ‰ lazˆ‰ m..p funtay : ˆ imdi 19 puan ile kepekci nerelere gidecek bakalim:) vahaboglu: bildi senmel: tref atagina pik empas yaparsa batar champ i: gerek kalmadˆ‰ baylind: 3sp e 4sp derdik f_aydogdu : tern in eliyle 1nt ile mutabˆ‰k olmayanˆ ar olabilir ama illa bise demek gerekirse bende 1nt derim arigun: evet agresif bir baglanti :) yusufb: 3 nt den baska secenek yoktu..6♠ baskanb: karo atagˆ‰na batˆ‰rˆ‰labiliyo f_aydogdu: yaparmi vugraphzuh: dogu once yere tek pik acti baylind: 5 bos pik olmasˆ‰ guzel senmel: 7 tref batar ama pikte sorun yok champ i: sonuclarˆ‰nada katlancˆ‰k emrecim..p funtay: 2 artifisyel zon forsingi murat: ˆ imdi Emre’den 3NT ˆ§ok ˆ ˆ‰k olurdu :) baskanb: benim tercihim 1 kˆ¶re 1pikten yana olurdu f_aydogdu: nafiz abi ne derdin © © ¨ - 35 - arigun: icerde Kx © ♣ partaj sorunsuz bir zon olurdu..p arigun: simdi birkac ronons olmasi lazim baskanb: bu atak tek bieni olabilir MolvaM: aˆ§ˆ‰k odada atabey batˆ‰nˆ‰n eli ile pas geˆ§ti siyabend: declereye gore atakta agresif oldu MolvaM: ama kuzey 2s ile uyandˆ‰rdˆ‰ arigun: ustune AK cakisirsa evet MolvaM: ve 3 kˆ¶rde durdular funtay: slm Hakan..p champ i: slmlar begse: 3 pike pas demek kagˆ‰dˆ‰n yerleˆ imini avantajˆ‰nˆ‰ hiˆ§ degerlendirmemek demek bu el bariz sekilde 4 pik der baskanb: panele de soralˆ‰m f_aydogdu: 1 hre abi baylind: panel 4sp demisti cogunluk olarak baskanb: 1 kˆ¶re baylind: pass diyenlerde var.. A ebeb: . arigun: 1♠+2♣ vermeye razi olmak iyi fikir..♠ T.. J baskanb: atagˆ‰ alˆ‰p pik 2tur kˆ¶r ˆ§ekip trefl boˆ lasa olacak gibi duruyor arigun: konak belediyesi potansiyel 6 imp daha kazanabilir arigun: halen yapabilir f_aydogdu: yapacak bencede f_aydogdu: as tref dam dusunce pasa yapacak baylind: 1h e 1nt uygun.. 4 hikmetd: Zor bir kontran ama surpriz sekilde yapilabilinir, defansa baˆ li..♠A funtay: dayanamadi vugraphzuh: slmm hg murat: duramadˆ‰lar senmel: wd hikmetd: ya de Ya da ♣ den yatirma var:))..♠ 6 baskanb: karo dˆ¶nˆ…ˆ ˆ…ne batacaktˆ‰..♠2 senmel: mac cok gollu gidiyor bu arada..♠4..♠ K.. 2 vugraphzuh: zaman zaman baglanti sorunu yaˆ iyoruz ..♠5 hikmetd: Tezcan Sen seyrediyor ama O da ˆ… mitsiz herhalde :))..♠7 MolvaM: maˆ§ sonunda yalˆ§ˆ‰n atabeyden 2 lˆ¶ ve fazla deklare ediyorum ve alˆ‰yorum demek i ˆ§in uygun fˆ‰rsat..♣5..♣3..♣Q.. 5 ¨ © © © © ¨ © Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board NS: EW: o c 3 12 this/total IMPs Izmir B.B.S.K Adana B.S.K. ¨ W 3 110 12 5-6 ♠ A K J10 2 7 AQ5 3 2 7 6-5 ♣9 8 7 4 ♠9 7 4 3 N ♠8 832 K J10 6 W E A K Q10 6543 S ♣A 6 ♣K Q 5 2 ♠Q 6 5 7 6 974 9 J982 11 ♣ J10 3 7 400 N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E 1♠ X X p p 3 p W: A.Aksu W 1 1N p p ¨ ¨ ¨ © ¨ ª ¨ § ª ª ¨ ª § ª § E: T.Eren S p 2♠ p © § © © ¨ ª ¨ ª ¨ § ª § #1 N:: 7,3,2,T #2 W:: 2,5,K,9 #3 E:: 6,4,8,A #4 N:: 9,2,T,A #5 W:: Q, 2, 4,J #6 W:: 3,Q,J,7 #7 N:: 4,K,3,6 #8 E:: T, 9,K, T #9 W:: 9,J,8,Q #10 S:: 8,A, K, 5 #11 W:: 3,A, 6, 5 #12 E:: Q,J, 4, 7 #13 E:: 5, 6,7, 8 tez: kontr yerin renginin atak edilmesini istiyordu... ♣2 funtay: katiliyorum Murat murat: Bˆ…tˆ…n qbidleri atladˆ‰ sonuˆ§ta. baskanb: evet karo kalˆ‰r heralde pardon baskanb: ama bi ˆ ansˆ‰ olabilirdi yerden ˆ§ evrilen kˆ¶re as girerse yapardˆ‰ f_aydogdu: 3nt ..1 aruf: 6♠ yapabilir NS tez : canakkale beld takˆ‰mˆ‰nˆ‰n cogu doktor..1♠.. vahaboglu: 4 ˆ… bulamazlar mˆ‰ yani f_aydogdu: sanmam..p..1N.. ..p f_aydogdu: gidisat 4 hrede aruf: EW pardon ckesgin: 5♣ 3 2♠ 1 var zaten o elde ¨ ¨ © ¨ ¨ © baylind: panelde kavga cˆ‰ktˆ‰ .... salvo olay cˆ‰karˆ‰yor..2♠..p hikmetd: Doktorlar Mˆ…hendislerden daha mi iyi yani:))..p zuner: pas kazandirdi zuner: diye dˆ…sˆ…nˆ…yorum tez: daha burada mac yapmadˆ‰k:)..3 hikmetd: Evet Mˆ…hendislerin ˆ ovu nu bekliyoruz vugraphzuh: 2♠ aˆ§maz zayˆ‰f f_aydogdu: oda olur f_aydogdu: 6ya gidebilir yanliz f_aydogdu: 18 var vahaboglu: biraz uˆ raˆ ˆ‰r gitmek iˆ§in f_aydogdu: ortagˆ‰ oyun acmis vahaboglu: 17 f_aydogdu: 17 f_aydogdu: 155 arayin vahaboglu: oyunculuklar falan hariˆ§..p baskanb: 4c funtay: 8 var bakalim 9 gelecekmi..p murat: Geyve’nin ˆ§ok dikkatli olmasˆ‰ lazˆ‰ m vahaboglu: splinter vugraphzuh: 3♠blokatif..p bircan: ♠ atagi gelmez ise enteresan bir 6 eli bircan: gˆ…zel oyun sonlari mevcut baskanb: merhaba bircan abi hg bircan: baskanim selam baylind: az onceki elde ˆ‰srarla 4sp demez diyor.. vahaboglu: ˆ u ana kadar gˆ…zel konuˆ tular.. 7 f_aydogdu: kritik nokta bura f_aydogdu: 5 ede batar champ i: hoˆ geldin bircan baskanb: bol ˆ ans diliyorum sizlere bizler tribˆ …nden rahat rahat konuˆ uyoruz sizin iˆ iniz sorrr eliniz doˆ ruya gitsin :) bircan: mersi hakan vugraphzuh : guney pik dondu ve 6 ya claim edildi funtay: bu love cok onemli buyuk cekerse pik apeli sonuca gˆ¶tˆ…rˆ…r.. 3 murat: ˆ u durumda artˆ‰k durmak gerek.. 2 senmel: iyi durdular.. T vahaboglu: ortaˆ a gˆ…ven vbman: doru aruf: A R x kupa yapabilir yada ♣R ikiliye oynarsa MolvaM: tekli renge uyum olsa idi grandˆ lem gˆ …zel olurdu MolvaM: nˆ¶betˆ§iler paneli mahkeme salonundan dˆ‰ˆ arˆ‰ ˆ§ˆ‰kartˆ‰cak yakˆ‰nda ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ © ©© - 36 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) baskanb: fikret abi bi ekip gˆ¶nderiver bence :) begse: hangi kagˆ‰t olcakta ortaktaki 4 lˆ… pike batacak qv kˆ¶r tam iˆ e yaramazken oluyo en fazla bi empasa kalir baylind: panele ˆ ampi de geldi alkol kontrolunden gecemedi .. geri gˆ¶nderdik odaya... f_aydogdu: ya orayi bi ekip sakinlestiremez ben en iyisi cevik kuveti gonderiiim murat: game over :).. 2.. 5.. K hobakan: vale trefl ataˆ ˆ‰na.. 9 baylind: trafik polisi gelsin hobakan: trefl tercihi.. 6 hobakan: daha endike gibi senmel: ataktan sordular soruyu murat: As pik ˆ imdi.. 4 MolvaM: herhalde KJ10x deˆ ildir bu atak MolvaM: 10. bordda ˆ leme trefl ˆ§ˆ‰kˆ‰ldˆ‰ ve batmak ˆ…zere.. 8.. A MolvaM: ama daha batmadˆ‰ :) senmel: undo?..♣9 ckesgin: ilkini bˆ ´–rakmalˆ ´–ydˆ ´– derken.. tez: 3 uncu ♣ oynanˆ‰nca olacak sanˆ‰rˆ‰m.. ♣2 aruf: kˆ¶r pasˆ‰ atˆ‰p fazla batacak..♣T..♣A senmel: 4pik olur bundan sonra MolvaM: deklaran rakibin agresif atak yaptˆ‰ˆ ˆ ‰nˆ‰ dˆ…ˆ ˆ…ndˆ… tez: defansta sayˆ‰mˆ‰ oynuyoruz yoksa onor mu vaadediyoruz..onemli.. Q..♠2.. 4.. J murat: demin olmadˆ‰ ˆ imdi :).. 3 f_aydogdu: guzel oynadi orhan abi baskanb: ˆ¶rtˆ…nce batamˆ‰yo vbman: veya oto koydu MolvaM: mecburen kˆ¶r empasˆ‰nˆ‰ yapacak ˆ imdi 2 batmak iˆ§in f_aydogdu: evet.. Q siyabend: part scorlara oynamak veya defans yapmak daha zor ornek bir eldi baskanb: yani hiˆ§bi daˆ ˆ‰lˆ‰ma :).. J f_aydogdu: ruayˆ‰ alsada artˆ‰k batmˆ‰yor murat: bu elde sorun yok ama kontratˆ‰ riske atmamasˆ‰ iˆ§in ˆ imdi bir tur karoya ˆ§akmasˆ ‰ gerekiyor funtay: :).. 7 tez: tabii onlu kimde kaldˆ‰ onada bakmak gerekiyordu..♣4..♣K funtay : ben cikmak zorundayim, herkese iyi seyirler..♣3 vugraphzuh: kisa bi mola murat: Emre iˆ§in zor bir durum.. 4 eli gˆ¶rˆ… rken kolay tabi bize.. yerde gˆ…zelim pikleri gˆ¶ re gˆ¶re as piki ˆ§ekmesi lazˆ‰mdˆ‰ © © © © © © © © ¨ © ¨ ¨ © © © © - 37 - murat: madem ara verdik, Lenny Kravitz sevenlere MTV’yi aˆ§malarˆ‰nˆ‰ ˆ¶neriyorum.. unplugged f_aydogdu: evet dogru oyun o..♣6 MolvaM: ˆ lem 17 impye patladˆ‰. ˆ§ok pahalˆ‰ f_aydogdu: mix olsaydi burda veralar kazanˆ‰ rdi takˆ‰mi bilemem MolvaM: trefl rua tek bile olabilirdi.. T vbman: 3.. 9.. K murat: pik doˆ ru yerde 4lˆ… olduˆ u iˆ§in ˆ§ akmasa da olurdu..♠T..♠9..♠J..♠8 vbman: ciger koz mu geldi?..♠Q.. 8.. A..♠ K.. 5..♠3..♠A.. 6..♠5..♣Q..♣J..♠4..♣7..♣ 5..♠6 ¨ ¨ ¨ ¨ © ¨ ¨ Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board NS: EW: o c 2N 13 this/total IMPs Izmir B.B.S.K Adana B.S.K. W -2 200 13 5-4 ♠ A10 7 5-4 10 7 4 3 7 4-3 5 8 ♣ K Q10 8 2 ♠9 8 5 3 N ♠K Q 2 Q86 J95 W E KQ7 3 A J964 S ♣A 9 ♣J3 ♠J64 6 8 AK 2 5 10 8 2 9 ♣7 6 5 4 5 110 W: A.Aksu W 1♠ 2N N: S. Assael Closed S: N.Zorlu N E p 1 X XX! p p §Q,3,7,A §K,J,6,9 §T,©9,§5,ª8 ©7,J,A,6 ©2,,, #1 N:: #3 N:: #5 N:: #7 N:: #9 S:: ¨ E: T.Eren S p 2♣ p ª5,A,2,6 §8,©5,§4,ª3 §2,ªQ,J,9 ©K,8,4,¨4 #2 W:: #4 N:: #6 N:: #8 S:: vugraphzuh: gecen el dˆ‰rektor ˆ‰stendˆ‰ sonra vazgecˆ‰ldˆ‰..♠7..♣8 MolvaM: rakip yapmak iˆ§in deklare ettiˆ i ˆ leme battˆ‰ktan sonra verilen fireler ne tatlˆ‰dˆ‰r deˆ il mi? MolvaM: ortaklar da ˆ§ok anlayˆ‰ˆ lˆ‰ olur bu durumda arigun : genelde masada canin saolsun ortak muhabbeti olur :)..p murat: bu el enterasan ..1 f_aydogdu: evet champ i: orhan abi zonda 1 sp demezdi ama MolvaM: hemen canˆ‰n saˆ olsun ortak diyerek ˆ §ay ˆ‰smarlanˆ‰r vbman: bizim ortaklar ˆ u ana kadar ˆ§ok anlayˆ ‰ˆ lˆ‰ idiler zaten begse: trefl ˆ§ˆ‰kan oyuncunun analizi gayet iyi bravo f_aydogdu: sukriye tarafˆ‰ndan 3 nt ..p ¨ baskanb: evet ama deklarasyonda ciddi endikasyon var 3 nt 4trefl diye kaldˆ‰rˆ‰lmˆ‰ˆ MolvaM: o bile batˆ‰rmaya yetmiyor ama gene de iyi tabii baskanb: 6cl-sp..1♠ f_aydogdu: 2sp dbldan daha iyi f_aydogdu: etkin eliyle bence MolvaM: bu salon da amma sˆ‰cak diyerek iˆ§ indeki sevinci bastˆ‰rˆ‰r ˆ lemi batˆ‰ran taraf.. ¨ tez : 4 el acˆ‰k fire verdim..koz asˆ‰ dˆ‰ sardaymˆ‰s:)..r!..supp baskanb: 1sp -3 olabiliyo senmel: kor karoya karisti baskanb: 6 h f_aydogdu: 3 olsa 3 sayˆ‰ eder..2♣ murat: ben hiˆ§ uˆ raˆ mazdˆ‰m 3nt ile.. rakip 1pik oynayarak acˆ‰ ceksin derdim MolvaM: 5 seviyesi kime aitmiˆ bakalˆ‰m vbman: yok kˆ¶ker bu eli 1 kˆ¶r aˆ§maz..2N senmel: 1 tref te acmazmi baskanb: bˆ¶yle ellerde natural ilerlemek ˆ§ok zor ˆ¶zel bi sekans kullanmak gerek bence vugraphzuh: http://clubs.vugraph.com/tbricfed/ teams_round.php?round=1714 vugraphzuh: linkinden genel sonuclara bakabilirsiniz champ i: evet dekleresi zor el 3 lˆ… de sp olunca insan huzursuz olur MolvaM: ben bu deklareyi versem pik KJxx yerde ˆ§ˆ‰kar..p MolvaM: veya elde :) baskanb: enteresan etkin kˆ¶r fiti vermek iˆ§in yeterli bulmadˆ‰ kˆ¶rleri herhalde :))) MolvaM: daha doˆ rusu sˆ‰rtta baskanb: psikolojik artˆ‰larˆ‰ var tabii masada..p f_aydogdu: orhan abi 2batarla yˆ‰rtardi..p tez : kuzey guney ekibi adˆ‰yla zayˆ‰f iki oynamˆ‰yorlar demekki..yoksa guney 2 acardˆ ‰..♣Q f_aydogdu: yere karo cakar baskanb: hasan nasˆ‰l kaldˆ‰racak ya da kaldˆ ‰racak mˆ‰ ? f_aydogdu: olmuyor..♣3 siyabend: biraz zor gibi murat: Antalya hanesine ˆ§ok sayˆ‰ yazacak bu el..♣7 vbman: 1cl aˆ§ar MolvaM: iˆ te singleton renge uyum oldumu hayat ne kolay MolvaM: elden 2 trefl ˆ§akˆ‰p sonra da gˆ…neyi siyah renklerde squeeze? tez: ben o rengi bir sekilde soylerdim..♣A ¨ - 38 - Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) vbman: 6 cabbage MolvaM : bu kontr pik atak etme mi demek acaba..♠5 MolvaM: ˆ§ok zor atak f_aydogdu: pik cˆ‰kacak genede..♠A murat: Kuzey 4333 6puanla pas geˆ§meyi dˆ…ˆ ˆ …nebilirdi.. pikleri ˆ§ok kˆ¶tˆ… ˆ§ˆ…nkˆ…..♠2 MolvaM: neden 1 trefl aˆ§ˆ‰yor? MolvaM: ahu yeri gˆ¶rˆ…nce ˆ aˆ ˆ‰rmˆ‰ˆ tˆ‰r nerden ˆ§ˆ‰ktˆ‰ bu kˆ¶rler diye..♠6 f_aydogdu: koz 3 sˆ‰fˆ‰r baskanb: iyi deklarasyon..♣K..♣J baskanb: tutabiliyor :) f_aydogdu: evet olu gibi MolvaM: eaz ˆ¶nceki ele bakarsak evcimen ˆ lem patlatˆ‰r diye dˆ…ˆ ˆ…nˆ…yordum ben ama :) MolvaM: menfi trefl mi oynuyorlar? :)..♣6 senmel: bizim iddiamiz korun karoya karismasi baskanb: 4 kˆ¶r diye kaldˆ‰rsa daha iyi belki de bˆ¶ylece pik aˆ§ˆ‰klˆ‰ˆ ˆ‰nˆ‰ tarif edebilir tez: as koyulunca 2 lovesi alˆ‰yor..♣9 vbman : stil olarak ˆ¶yle bir kˆ¶rˆ… aˆ§mˆ‰ yoruz..♣8.. 5..♣4 baskanb: son 4 karta 3 pik 1cl ile girebiliyor baskanb: ama renkleri ˆ§ok kaliteli olduˆ u iˆ§in pikle ilgilenmedi herhalde..♠3..♣T tez: asˆ‰ koymasa asˆ‰ badem olacak ama den 1 el alˆ‰yordu.. 9 MolvaM: panel bu konuda ne diyor?..♣5 MolvaM: kuzey araya 4 trefl filan mˆ‰ sˆ‰kˆ‰ˆ tˆ‰rsaydˆ‰ f_aydogdu: allahh diyo ahu senmel: xxxxkaro varken arxx trefi acti..♠8..♣ 2..♠Q..♠J..♠9.. 7 tez: gorunmeyen el kayˆ‰plarˆ‰.. J vbman: ttt.. A.. 6 murat: trefi ruayˆ‰ teklemek iyi olmayacak.. K.. 8.. 4.. 4.. 2 © © © © © © © © © ¨ © - 39 - © © © © Board NS: EW: o 5 c 15 ¨ this/total IMPs Adana B.S.K. Izmir B.B.S.K W -1 50 15 130 7 6-5 8 3 8 ♠ A10 9 AK Q8 7 4 ♣6542 ♠K J 74 N ♠Q 3 5 10 6 3 2 W E AK Q7 5 3 J84 S ♣Q3 ♣K J 8 7 ♠8 6 5 2 5 5 J9 4 10 9 6 2 10 ♣ A10 9 4 W: N.Kubac W ¨ 1 2♠ 3N p N: B.Koca Open S: T.Kose N E © 1 p p p © ¨ © ¨ ª #1 N:: A,2,9,5 #3 W:: Q, 4, 4,2 #5 S:: 6,4,A,3 1N 3 5 ¨ ¨ E: M.C.Tokay S p p p p © ¨ § © § ¨ #2 N:: 8,3,J, 3 #4 W:: Q,2,7,A #6 N:: K,6, T, 5 Turkish Club Team Championship 2009(R16 segment 1) Board NS: EW: o 3N c 16 S this/total IMPs Adana B.S.K. Izmir B.B.S.K 4 430 16 ♠AK Q J 4 7 A53 ♣AK 4 2 ♠9 7 6 5 2 N ♠10 3 A10 8 4 J95 W E J64 Q97 2 S ♣5 ♣Q J 8 6 ♠8 KQ6 32 K10 8 ♣10 9 7 3 430 W: N.Kubac W p p p N: B.Koca Open S: T.Kose N E 1♠ p p 3♣ p p © ¨ ª ª ¨ § ª ¨ © § © © § 10 10 10 9 10 3 3 3 4 3 E: M.C.Tokay S 1N 3N § § ¨ § ª § ª ª© ª ª © ¨ ª © ¨ © #1 W:: 4,7,J,K #2 S:: 3,5,A,6 #3 N:: 3,2,K,6 #4 S:: 7, 4, K,8 #5 N:: A,3,8,7 #6 N:: K,T, T, 2 #7 N:: Q, 9, 9, 9 #8 N:: J, 5,2, 6 #9 N:: A,7,8,J #10 N:: 4, 9, T, 5 #11 W:: A, 2,J, 3 #12 W:: T, 5,Q, Q #13 S:: 6,8, 4,Q - 40 -
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Walddk2: 3NT or 4 with 11 tricks..1
vugrapha3: System Cards can be found at http://
www.abf.com.au/events/anc/2009/systems.html
rodal f: Tranc for
and 4 . Arethe slam on
then?
MolvaM: ˆ ampiyonada ...
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Walddk2: 3NT or 4 with 11 tricks..1
vugrapha3: System Cards can be found at http://
www.abf.com.au/events/anc/2009/systems.html
rodal f: Tranc for
and 4 . Arethe slam on
then?
MolvaM: ˆ ampiyonada ...
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Walddk2: 3NT or 4 with 11 tricks..1♠
vugrapha3: System Cards can be found at http://
www.abf.com.au/events/anc/2009/systems.html
rodal f: Tranc for
and 4 . Arethe slam on
then?
MolvaM: ˆ ampiyonada...
axtra
rodal f: At vul for EW and S not limited after
1NT from N wich can be up til bad 11HP..3♣..
h_karluk : so that’s possible for declarer and
defender’s side..p
h_karluk: there will be a
ruff but for ...
axtra
rodal f: At vul for EW and S not limited after
1NT from N wich can be up til bad 11HP..3♣..
h_karluk : so that’s possible for declarer and
defender’s side..p
h_karluk: there will be a
ruff but for ...
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Walddk4: Hi all, we lost the open room (English).
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landed to game while counting ten? hard enough..p..1
..p..2♣..p..2 ..p..2 ..p..3 ..p..5 ..p
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♠ AQ tenace..p..p
h_karluk: you know no indication
MolvaM2...